Does anyone know if footage exists for Jeffries vs Corbett?

LOL, have at it. McVey vs Mendoza is a Classic staple entertainment

 

Nothing to," have at." I proved my case a long time ago and provided primary sources for my statements. Mendoza would not recognize a primary source if he tripped over it! He quotes Klompton who today confirmed I was right and he was wrong and he was called a liar by him into the bargain, nothing more needs to be said!

 

Ah, well. If that's the case then there's nothing to see. I'll head back to General to slap some heads

 

Have a good time!

 

For the record in the last month I was able to knock two films off that lost film list and put them squarely in the "found" category. Within the next couple of weeks I hope to knock another one off.

 

You're doing good service to boxing!

 

Damn, still more to be found out there huh?
Amazing, keep it up.

 

To add further I've been in contact with Klompton today and he had confirmed that the Ruhlin v Fitzsimmons fight was NOT FILMED.Here is part on the conversation I had with him today posted with his permission.
Klompton said the first Jeffries v Corbett fight was not filmed ,which I stated.
He also states the second Jeffries v Corbett fight may have been a fake re-enactment.

"I know for a fact that the Fitzsimmons-Ruhlin fight was faked. I have several photos of them faking the fight using the actual fighters. The newspaper reports state that no film was taken at the actual fight. So this one for sure was faked, no actual fight footage was filmed, and the fake fight was advertised as the real thing in places. In regards to Jeffries-Corbett: The film of their first fight was faked. The newspaper report talks about the veriscope stand being empty during the fight and no films being made. However there was a film advertised of their second fight in 1903. One advertisment I have says that it was filmed by Thomas Edison which would lend one to believe it was the real thing however this time period was the wild west for films and its still possible that this was fake."



Klompton replied a second time to my inquiry,he is his full post.
I asked if he had any objection to my posting it .Here is his verbatim response
"Not at all, post away.

In regards to Adam its possible he missed it or just neglected to put that fact in his book. He's only human after all.

But yes, Mendoza is a liar and even the list I have shouldnt be taken as gospel in regards to those earliest boxing films for the simple fact that so many of those fights were indeed faked and its hard to tell what was real and what was a fake film. Another instance of this is an advertisement for the Corbett-McCoy fight film. Its very hard to tell from the advertisements if this was the fake fight they filmed as kind of an exhibition or their actual bout. For those earliest films up to about 1905 its unlikely we will ever find them so my list is kind of academic anyway. After that you start getting a clearer picture on what was real and what was fake and by about 1910 the fake fights stop being produced from what I can tell."


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Yes, and read slowly...I've been a busy man lately.

Let's clear things up.

1 ) Fitz vs Ruhlin. The bet was simple was it filmed. Not when, how, or by whom!

YES, it was filmed. I say so, Klompton says so, IMBD says so with details on the length of the film the format and such, and you even say it was filmed! You lost the bet. If you want to welch, that's you!

2 ) Secondly, Corbett vs Jeffries was filmed. As usual, you call me out, then get egg on your face without an apology Argue with Klompton if you think it was not filmed! Hmmmm, I do not see you going there

Lastly, relying upon on passages of books doesn't make you smarter. Quoting Gilbert Odd, who feels Floyd Patterson was the 3rd best of all time and Tommy Bruns 7th in 1985, way ahead of Holmes, Liston, and Marciano!

Patterson #3 overall? Burns #7. In 1985? These ranking are a joke, just like yourself.

 

Take note, he says Fitz vs Ruhlin was filmed! Wasn't that our bet? Just admit you lost the bet and were wrong.

Or argue with Klompton and he'll rip you apart.

 

Yes, and read slowly...I've been a busy man lately.

Let's clear things up.

1 ) Fitz vs Ruhlin. The bet was simple was it filmed. Not when, how, or by whom!

YES, it was filmed. I say so, Klompton says so, IMBD says so with details on the length of the film the format and such, and you even say it was filmed! You lost the bet. If you want to welch, that's you!

2 ) Secondly, Corbett vs Jeffries was filmed. As usual, you call me out, then get egg on your face without an apology Argue with Klompton if you think it was not filmed! Hmmmm, I do not see you going there

Lastly, relying upon on passages of books doesn't make you smarter. Quoting Gilbert Odd, who feels Floyd Patterson was the 3rd best of all time and Tommy Bruns 7th in 1985, way ahead of Holmes, Liston, and Marciano!

Patterson #3 overall? Burns #7. In 1985? These ranking are a joke, just like yourself.[/QUOTE]
No Klompton says categorically that the Ruhlin v Fizsimmons fight was NOT filmed ,so does Gilbert Odd who goes into some detail about Ruhlin needing theatrical greasepaint to hide his bruises for the re- encactment , and Adam Pollack agrees.
This is Klompton's reply to me two days ago on the Ruhlin v Fitzsimmons fight.

"I know for a fact that the Fitzsimmons-Ruhlin fight was faked. I have several photos of them faking the fight using the actual fighters. The newspaper reports state that no film was taken at the actual fight. So this one for sure was faked, no actual fight footage was filmed, and the fake fight was advertised as the real thing in places".

There is simply no way you can get around this!
What the IMD have is the LUBIN re-enactment it has Lubin's name on it!
James J Corbett was Ruhlin's chief second he does NOT appear in the re-enactment because he had returned to San Francisco where he lived,[the fight was held in MSG NY].
That is the plain stone cold fact.
You now want to excuse your not honouring the bet by saying a
re-enactment 2 weeks later ,a faked fight ,qualifies as the real fight being filmed? What planet are you on?
You can bluster and blow hot air as much as you want, you welched on the bet.It doesn't matter, I don't need your money and I have already taken what ever shreds of credibility you had left!
Klompton has an open mind on the second Jeffries v Corbett fight as my post clearly shows.
Pollack makes no mention of it being filmed or of any film rights. It is an established fact that the first Jeffries v Corbett fight was NOT filmed. Just as it is an established fact that you are a liar, which by the way Klompton is agreement on!

It has been an absolute pleasure exposing your lack of any honourable principles and your compulsion to lie through your teeth once again.

For that I thank you!

 

Mcvey, you are an utter joke. Was Fitz vs Ruhlin filmed? YES. That was the bet with no clarification given. You took it and lost

Filmed can be reenacted and as I mentioned others here know it was filmed too. Now GTFU out of this thread with your BS and lies.

Pollack only makes mention of the first fight Corbett vs Jeffries, not the second. The amazing thing is you think by adding in additional information others will be confused. Nope, nope!

PS: Klompton who has thrashed you before agrees with me on Fitz vs. Ruhlin and Corbett vs Jeffries being filmed. Checkmate as usual.

 

The bet was that the fight was filmed I said it was not, you said it was and we both know you based your opinion on an advert that was selling the Lubin fake/re-enactment.
Everyone now know it wasn't,so your only recourse ,given that you had no scruples about principles ,or the truth ,was to say well the fight was re-enacted so that counts as it being "filmed" !
Others don't know it was filmed simply because it wasn't!
Here's a challenge for you
Now name one of the others that says it was? As I'm always at least one step ahead of you,I say now, ,don't post the Lubin advert for the fight because I can produce proof his film was a fake!

Bottom line Mr Compulsive Liar, Klompton explicitly says it was NOT filmed and unreservedly calls you a liar,so I wouldn't put him forward as a reference!

Thanks again for the opportunity to rip your character to shreds its been a total delight!

 

I'm now waiting for you to name the "others here " you say know it was filmed. I have a feeling it will be a long wait. No matter, I'm not going anywhere,I will always be here to expose your lies.

 

He doesn't count the re enactment as a legitimate filming of the fight? Surely not.