Prime Jack Dempsey v Prime Sam Langford

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I always wondered if it was something the referee said about clinching/wrestling going into the fight. Because you would have expected Wilalrd to lean and maul and he doesn't do any of that, just holds, then spreads his arms and looks at the referee.
     
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  2. louis54

    louis54 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Both at their absolute peak Dempsey....as great as Langford obviously was I'm not sure what he was better at than Dempsey...perhaps countering...if they fought 10 times Dempsey would get 7 or 8 wins
     
  3. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Langford stated Dempsey was "the greatest fighter he had ever seen". I think that says plenty. At their both respective bests Dempsey would probably win by early KO. I don't see anything Langford could do that would allow him to survive an all out Dempsey assault.
     
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  4. Mendoza

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    I think you are mistaken. Dempsey wasn't doing well at all and fell behind.

    • The [url]July 1964 issue[/url] of [url]Boxing Illustrated[/url] had an article about the Dempsey-Brennan fight titled "Dempsey's Toughest Fight: It wasn't with Firpo—it was with Bill Brennan."

    >>> Brennan wasn't a top notch fighter. Yet some consider it Dempsey's toughest fight?
     
  5. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You can find whatever you would like to find within the thousands upon thousands of articles written over the years. It does not make it the truth.
     
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  6. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I was going by a combination of the roughly 11 minutes of fight footage along with the "Quebec Telegraph" newspaper article from the day after the fight.
    [url]https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1923&dat=19201215&id=7pEfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MtQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1699,2568681&hl=en[/url]
     
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  7. Fergy

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    Not all one sided I'm leaning towards. Langford puts on a good display of boxing for the first 4 or 5 round s. Clinches coming from Langford and slowing Jack down, he's unable to get his punches off as well as he wants. But then he starts getting through to the body which visibly hurt s Langford. Jack's well in to his stride by the 7th, he's slightly behind here, when suddenly Jack cracked a left to the body and a right to the head. Langford is down! He attempts to get up but the body shots done the damage. He gets counted out and Jack immediately runs over to help him to his feet. Jack has a Bleeding mouth but smile s through the blood praising Langford as a tough opponent. Game over.
     
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  8. Mendoza

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    Provide evidence to the contrary, and read the article before commenting! Brennan gave Dempsey some trouble.

    Langford in his prime would be Dempsey's best opponent. Or you can argue Tunney and we know how that went down.

    Without the low blow foul and hook to the jaw when Sharkey was complaining to the ref, Dempsey likely loses that match.
     
  9. mcvey

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    This is Bull Sh*T Dempsey was comfortably in the lead and would have won a unanimous decision had it gone the distance,ringside reporters only gave Brennan 2 rds!
     
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  10. mcvey

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    More Bull Sh*t this is a fairy tale promoted by that king of the Bull Sh*tters ,[next to you ,]Bert Sugar.It's total cack. Dempsey turned down a fight with Langford in early1917 because he sensibly knew he wasn't ready for such opposition, at that time Jack weighed under 170lbs.
     
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  11. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The three preceding right uppercuts landed by Dempsey on Sharkeys stomach prior to the ko blow were not low.

    I count Dempsey leading 9 rounds to 2 prior to the Ko of Brennan.

    As mentioned you can find an article to back up any argument. Amateur time.
     
  12. Seamus

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    A lesson that you might learn someday.
     
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  13. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    It can rather easily be argued that Langford has a deeper win ledger at heavyweight than Dempsey...

    Wills
    McVea
    Gunboat Smith
    Jeff Clark
    Joe Jeanette
    Jim Flynn
    Jim Johnson
    John Lester Johnson
     
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  14. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Its a position you can reasonably take,just as you can point out that Langford lost to Wills 11times,Smith once,Flynn once,McVey twice,Jeannette twice, Bill Tate 3 times,and Fred Fulton 2 out of 2.
     
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  15. Perry

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    I always look to experts from that time since they had the luxury of watching the fighters fight live and in person. Fleischer who gave Langford great praise not only rated Dempsey over Langford all time but felt Jack would stop Sam early.
     
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