GGG: Canelo has done nothing

Your mixing up 154 with 160
Come on you should know this

 

Some GGG fanatics claim Daniel Geale was his best win. Cotto dominated Daniel Geale and KO in more dominant fashion than GGG did just 11 months after.

 

Its one of his better fights. Problem is Jacobs' only real chance is a punchers chance.

More and Pirog exposed that fragile mandible, and as over hyped as I think Golovkin is, he still has that power that is kryptonite to Jacobs.

 

It is a good fight and by no means am I writing Jacobs off.

You will notice that I said "if" and not "when" he beats Jacobs. Jacobs is legit.

 

1) Cotto drained Geale down to a waxy corpse. He should be ashamed.
2) GGG has beaten a lot of good fighters. What's Canelo's best win? Trout? Lara? He arguably lost those ones. No arguments about Golovkin's fights.

 

Here's the problem with Golovkin though based on what he's saying now. After Canelo invited him in the ring following the Khan bout, and said he'll fight him right now. OK, well after that, presumably Golovkin refused to agree to fight Canelo below 160. (which is understandable considering he's been fighting at the full weight for a long time, and doing so would have drained him)

Correct me if I’m wrong, but following the Khan bout, Canelo had a mere 15 days to agree to terms for the bout, otherwise he would have been stripped of his title, which likely would have required him to agree to fight Golovkin with no catchweight.

But now, and apparently last year as well, he's stated that he would in fact make weight concessions to fight Floyd as low as 154. So what that shows is that it wasn't a principled stance like we were made to believe, all that crap about fighting only at the Full Limit of 160 wasn't really true, it was only true about fighting Canelo, not Floyd lol.

Just look at it from Canelo’s perspective. The guy has never fought above 155 in his life, and after one of the biggest wins of his career, he was being essentially being forced to agree to fight Golovkin at 160 within 15 days of his win, or be stripped. You have Golovkin barking “Give me my title” and making statements saying he will fight Floyd at 154 but won’t make those same concessions to Canelo.

BCS8, you’ve got to admit that’s a COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS situation that Canelo was in. The amount of disrespect, timetables, and double standards coming from Golovkin are preposterous. And given all that, I don’t blame Canelo at all for vacating that belt.

How do you negotiate a fight under such circumstances? Just look at it from Canelo’s perspective. I’m not even sure it was so much that Canelo was demanding Golovkin make 155, but jus the way he was being dictated to and disrespected by Golovkin. And it is disrespectful to say you will make weight concessions for Floyd but not for Canelo, saying that Canelo is nothing. I mean that’s really unprofessional and just generally rude.

Golovkin seems to be really salty at Canelo for some reason, and I’m not sure I understand why. He said in that first take interview that Canelo was doing so much talking and all that, but honestly I think that’s complete BS. The only time Canelo really did any talking is when he was asked about fighting Golovkin, and after the Khan fight.

I mean I can understand Golovkin getting the impression that Canelo wanted to fight him after he beat Khan, but it’s clear that Golovkin went out of his way to disrespect Canelo in what he said about him compared to Floyd. I mean it’s one thing to talk smack, but it’s another to boldly say you will make weight concessions for one opponent but not another.

 

Well, I just try to be realistic. I knew he would beat Murray because Murray doesn't have the workrate.
I was pretty sure he'd win against Geale because even though Geale moves well, GGG cuts the ring off better.
Lemieux I wasn't too confident about ... I thought he'd box Lemmy and that's what he did.
I knew he'd go to war with Brook, and actually Brook surprised me by being a very game and tough mofo

He's going to box Jacobs if he has any sense, but Jacobs has skills and power himself and although I favour GGG, you never know.

The only guy within spitting range of GGG that I would probably favour over him is Ward, and that's mainly because of his awkward style and big size advantage. Even there though, Golovkin would be in a winnable fight for himself.

 

He's ALWAYS said that he would drain down to 154 for Floyd. $$$ talks. At that weight, tbh, I'd favour Canelo over him rather than Floyd. Canelo can still fight well at that weight, whereas Floyd has no punch and maybe GGG thinks he could cut him off and destroy him early.

The WBC was always clear that Canelo would have to face GGG as a mandatory way before the fight. It's not as if this was sprung on him by any means. I don't see it as a ridiculous situation. Golovkin has always faced HIS mandatories.

If I can be honest, I think that the reason Canelo didn't want to face him as mando is because the mando makes a much bigger purse split than he was willing to concede. It's the same reason GGG will kill himself to make 154 for Floyd, but not Canelo. $$$.

You basically answered your own question. I think Golovkin feels that Canelo is talking up a fight but not backing up the words with action. It's the same reason he got mad at Ward for. I'd still like to see the fight but I've pretty much given up hoping that it will be made. Seems to me the sides can't agree on money, and that this is the basic problem.

 

GGG is right. Canelo has done nothing at Middleweight. He has never fought anyone at the 160 limit. But yes, he has good names on his resume.

 

I’m glad we are making some progress here, and now the Golovkin has re-iterated his ability to make 154 for Floyd really makes what happened more clear.

You just highlighted what this was about : The fact that Canelo was a bigger THREAT than Floyd was to Golovkin. Golovkin obviously feels that fighting Canelo is a more difficult, more dangerous fight to him than fighting Floyd. (At 154 OR at 160) And therefore, that’s why he would only fight Canelo at 160, but wouldn’t fight him at 154, like he would Floyd.

I think it’s really the same exact reason why Floyd wouldn’t fight Canelo at 154. Floyd knew how dangerous a puncher Canelo was and would only agree to fight him if Canelo agreed to make himself weak getting down to 152 lol.

It’s the same reason why Golovkin wouldn’t fight him below 160. After all, he had a Middleweight Title, and Golovkin was in the right to demand the fight be fought at 160. No argument from me on that, I’ve said from the beginning Canelo vs Golovkin should happen at 160, and DLH has said fighting him at 160 isn’t a problem.

But I think all this highlights a problem that started with Floyd vs Canelo with the 152 catchweight. A lot of people consider that a legit fight, don’t criticize Floyd for doing that at all, but then at the same time say Golovkin is in the right for needing Canelo vs Golovkin to be at 160. You can’t have it both ways!!

We need consistency here. if Golovkin was in the right to demand Canelo make 160, then Floyd was IN THE WRONG to demand Canelo make 152. After all, Floyd held a Jr Middleweight (154) belt, Canelo held a Jr Middleweight (154) belt. Look at it from Canelo’s perspective. He made the weight concession to Floyd because he was the bigger guy, but Golovkin wouldn’t make that concession for him as the smaller guy coming up from 154.

Then Golovkin says he’d make 154 for Floyd. You can see how Canelo is basically getting screwed in negotiations. The world is perfectly fine with him having to drain himself for Floyd, but how dare he even suggests that Golovkin drain himself. This is why I still consider Canelo an undefeated fighter. Because his only “loss” happened when he made a weight concession that he really shouldn’t have had to make for Floyd.

If you agree that Canelo vs Golovkin should be at 160, then you should agree that Canelo vs Floyd should have been at 154, and it happening at 152 was illegitimate and thus Canelo should still be considered undefeated. That’s all I’m saying. Do you agree?

That’s another reason. You got the inability of Golovkin to make weight concessions, and you got the split being determined by the WBC. Canelo was being asked to fight Golovkin for much less money than he would otherwise get for a fight of that magnitude, and Golovkin wasn’t willing to make weight concessions like he said he would do for Floyd. All in all, there’s a lot of legit reasons why it was better for Canelo to vacate the title, fight Smith at 154, then make the move up and negotiate a fight with Golovkin freely.

I think a lot of the reason it hasn’t happened frankly is due to the disrespect that Golovkin has showed Canelo. Saying he would make 154 for Floyd no problem is like a slap in the face to Canelo. Like Floyd’s good enough for him to drain for but not Canelo.

When you consider Canelo’s only loss happened at 152, I completely understand Canelo’s frustration. Both Floyd and Golovkin obviously see how big of a threat he is. It’s OK that Canelo was drained to 152 by Floyd, but how dare Canelo ask Golovkin to drain himself down to 158, right? Even though Golovkin says he can easily make 154 for Floyd. Hugely disrespectful, a slap in the face for negotiations for Golovkin to say all that.

 

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