Wilder-Stiverne II is upon us, confirmed by WBC

You're reaching so hard because I've easily dismantled everything you've said. I brought up Stiverne because you clearly have an issue with Wilder fighting him. In your other posts you were complaining about how he hasn't been fighting top 10. Well Stiverne is ranked #8 on ESPN, so you shouldn't have a problem. It's also his mandatory, and it was ordered 30 days from now. You really have Pedvetkin to blame since the WBC is probably forcing this mandatory on him since he's had so many voluntaries due to all the delays Pedvetkin caused. As for a unification bout, it's hard to negotiate for a unification bout when we don't know who the IBF, and WBO champs are going to be. I mean Fury/Parker doesn't even have a venue if I'm correct, and Fury might not even be able to fight due to the PED issues. We'll see what happens though, the Wilder/Stiverne fight is not even official, the WBC just ordered the fight.

 

Don't go back on it now?

I don't know how many times I have to say this to you, you CLEARLY have a problem with understanding.

WILDER NEVER FOUGHT A VOLUNTARY IN THE TOP 10, HE HAD FIVE CHANCES TO AND NEVER DID.

So who cares about this fight, it's business as usual for him not fighting the best as we have come to expect.

Also once again you bring up another fighter to try and justify Wilder's actions. You are getting very, very boring.

 

I talk about one thing, you talk about another. It's like talking to a child.

You haven't dismantled anything, in fact you've contradicted yourself multiple times. It's ok though, I believe that you think that. I believe that YOU BELIEVE that you think that.

Yes I have an issue with Wilder fighting Stiverne, correct. As does any boxing fan expect you it seems.

 

You're a special kind of slow. I'm not arguing against that, and I understood what you said. The fact that you said Wilder never fought a voluntary in the top 10(on unofficial rankings), implies that you'd be satisfied if he fought one of these top 10 guys. So now that he's fighting a top 10 guy in one of the fictional lists you take as gospel, are you satisfied? Or do you still have a problem?

How many losses can you take . So tell me again, what exactly do you want Wilder to do? Personally I'd love to see Parker/Wilder, but like I said before, Parker does not seem keen on facing Wilder. Instead of trying to unify with Wilder he chose to defend against Fury. The Fury fight is also a huge mess since we don't even know if they're going to fight due to the PED issues. I'd like to see the Fury/Parker fight be cancelled now, so Wilder/Parker can possible start negotiations for a unification.

 

Nice projection LOL. My first post on this thread was about how Wilder is fighting his MANDATORY. Then you started to criticize his resume and talk about how he hasn't fought any top 10 guys(which I disproved, and you tried to cover up), instead of staying on topic. You're correct, talking to you is like talking to a child. You came at me, I owned you and now you're desperately trying to fight for the last word. You started this, and I'm going to finish it.

 

I knew what he meant and so does anyone who watches Boxing. You have a link for Malik Scott ever being in Ring's top 10? LOL @ Molina and Duhapaus ever being in Ring Magazine's top 10. Never happened. I never suggested Wilder vacate. I am actually shocked that he will be fighting (according to ESPN) a legit top 10 Heavyweight. The point you seem to miss is optional fights are easier to make against top contenders and Wilder's management for whatever reason opted to fight 5 handpicked mediocre opponents. That is why people are (rightfully) criticizing him.

 

Nope. If he said top 10 HW, that's one thing, but when you say a top 10 RANKED hw, you're implying that they're ranked in an official sanctioning body. Just like when little g fans say that Wade was ranked in the top 3, they're implying that he was ranked in the top 3 in the IBF or w/e sanctioning body that ordered the mandatory.
Malik, and Molina were definitely in the top 10. Either in Ring, or Boxrec, I forget which. Duhapaus I'm pretty sure he was though that I'm not 100% certain on. Boxrec is just as credible as Ring, and ESPN, they're all fictional ranking lists, none are official.
I don't know what you're going on about. Read my first post, and my responses to him. This is about Stiverne being wilder's MANDATORY. It's funny how the same people who defend other boxers fighting like 50 bad mandatories(obviously I'm exaggerating) are losing their **** over this.

As for Wilder's opposition, we can talk about that too. So obviously since 2015 Wlad has been inactive for a year and a half, hearn has been on record saying that Joshua is too green, Fury has had PED/Coke issues, and Parker was chasing the WBO title. So really that leaves guys like Ortiz, Whyte, Ruiz, and Pulev being the only other options. Now Ortiz would CLEARLY be better than any win Wilder has had, but this fight is way too high risk and low reward, so I can understand why Wilder did not take this. Also Ortiz has had drug issues so it would make him look like a hypocrite after the Povetkin debacle. As for Whyte, Ruiz, Pulev, they might be slightly better than Ortiz, Washington, and Duhapaus, but let's be real, the criticism would be around the same even if he fought these guys. Unless he fights Ortiz, Parker, Joshua/Wlad winner, the criticism will be the same.

 

Great fight. Wilder will depend his Alabama HW Crown, and Stiverne will earn a few bucks.
Only question I have is if Stiverne wins will be have to become an Alabama citizen?

 

Once again you don't read what I type.

It's literally pointless trying to debate with you. You have selective hearing.

You didn't disprove anything, I said Wilder hadn't fought any top 10 guys as his FIVE voluntaries and you mentioned Stiverne, who wasn't a voluntary.

End of argument.

 

Why are you bringing up GGG in a Wilder thread? When you say to me "Fighter X is a top 10 Heavyweight" I don't think of the WBC, IBF, WBA, WBO, IBO, etc. I as a boxing fan and someone who pays attention to the sport instead of troll on a message board immediately think of ESPN or Ring rankings. Furthermore Molina was never in Ring's or ESPN's top 10. Neither was Duhapaus or Scott. Sorry. Yes they are fictional lists but they are miles more credible than the Alphabet org rankings I can assure you. And in conclusion, I never said Wilder should drop the belt or not fight Stiverne. This is actually an opportunity for Wilder to beat Stiverne for a second time as a legit top 10 Heavyweight. If my memory serves me right ESPN had Stiverne as #5 for the first fight and Ring had him right around that number also. It up to this point is Wilder's lone credible win. That is what I and others have been saying. Wilder's 5 defenses so far have been embarrassing.

 

You're projecting again LOL. You obviously didn't read what I typed. How many times do I have to put you in your place. When I said disproved you, I was talking about the top 10 WBC rankings. Duhapaus, and Molina were probably ranked top 10 too though I'm just assuming this, and not stating it as a fact.

As for the stiverne thing you're going full ****** on, here's what I said.
"Oh btw, not that ESPN or Ring are official, but Stiverne is ranked number 8 on ESPN. So since you take their lists as gospel even though they are not official rankings, you HAVE to be satisfied."

I was just stating that since you have a problem with him not fighting someone in the top 10, you should be satisfied now since Stiverne is ranked top 10 on ESPN. But keep spazzing out.

Also you could easily make a case for Molina, and Duhapaus being in the top 10 after the Wilder fight. Let's be real outside of the main HW's they're all around the same level.

Now take your loss and just move along.

 

He didn't say Fighter X is a top 10 HW, he said fighter x is ranked in the top 10. Context is key. If he said he hasn't been fighting top 10 HW then I wouldn't have assumed he was talking about sanctioning bodies. When someone talks about RANKINGS I automatically assume they're talking about official rankings.

Molina and Scott were definitely ranked in the top 10 in either boxrec, or ring. Like I said, boxrec, ring, espn all have the same credibility. Also I never compared the rankings of sanctioning bodies with ring/espn's lists. You're trying too hard to win this argument.

Actually Stiverne was ranked top 3 in the ring, so according to you guys, Wilder has already beat a top 3 HW.

 

You're actually embarrassing yourself, you've argued with multiple people in this thread because you rush a reply before you read and digest what people say.

It's also difficult to read your posts because they are so poorly constructed.

I said Wilder faced 5 voluntaries who were not in the top 10, and you came wading in with both feet and then brought up Stiverne. I never said that Stiverne wasn't in the top 10 but you insinuated that I did.

As Rico pointed out in the post just before this, Wilder's defences have been embarrassing. Some of the worst I have ever seen. The irony is that you said I was 'reaching' yet you are trying to make a case for fighters like Molina as a top 10 HW?

Very silly. But go on, keep repeating yourself. You're like a child's inflatable punching toy. You bop it, it comes back at you. You bop it again a few times. Eventually you leave it alone discarded in a corner, and then it deflates and you throw it away.

 

You and rico?

I love how big of a hypocrite you are. You do realize that you have a lot of errors yourself right? You brought up sentence structure earlier, and I was going to point out your errors, but I wanted to keep this on topic. You've been getting schooled so badly that you're trying anything to stray off topic.

You're really a special kind of slow aren't you? I explained to you why I brought Stiverne up. You clearly have mental issues though. Take your own advice, relax and try to comprehend before responding. Here I'll copy paste my explanation again.
"I was just stating that since you have a problem with him not fighting someone in the top 10, you should be satisfied now since Stiverne is ranked top 10 on ESPN. But keep spazzing out. "

Oh you're projecting again? So somehow my original post on this thread was about Wilder fighting his MANDATORY, but you're making it about his defenses. Like you said, "I say one thing, and you bring up something else". But anyways I've addressed Wilder's recent oppostion in my post to Rico.

You just don't give up do you. You tried to come at me, and it ended up backfiring on you, and now you're trying to save face.

 

Oh, and the reason I brought up GGG is simple. You're a reason. All little g fans on this thread that defend him but criticize Wilder are a reason. Funny thing is I don't even want to see this Stiverne fight. But it's his MANDO DOE right? Lmao, you hypocrites make me laugh. The reason why you tried to tag team me with yesihavearm is because you're a LITTLE G fan. You guys can't even argue against my original point. He's fighting his mando, you can't pick and choose when you're okay with someone fighting their mando. Yesihavearm said he's a "brook fan". But Brook fought like 5 bums in a row before GGG which was a clear cash out, and a fight where he wouldn't get discredited for losing. Porter was like his Stiverne so their situations are very comparable. You guys are massive hypocrites.