GGG: Canelo has done nothing

Also, Ward complained about the 164 lb demand himself:

In September that year, a clearly frustrated Ward gave an interview to FightHubTV and insisted on referring to Golovkin as “Little G”, lambasting the fighter and his camp for turning down an official offer to fight. He also complained that a double standard seemed to apply in terms of how their negotiating strategies were portrayed by the media: “Now, if the shoe was on the other foot, if I said ‘I’m going to 75, and I’m not gonna touch Kovalev, I’ll fight this guy and that guy, but if I fight Kovalev he’s gotta come to 170 or 172’ – can you imagine what the headlines would read? And if my trainer and my promoters were talking like they talk, but there was no action – can you imagine what the headlines would read?”

 

Yeah but having it be for the MW Title made Canelo vs Khan bigger. Khan wanted a shot at both the WBC MW Belt and a chance to become Lineal Champ. If the WBC was dropped before that bout, it wouldn't have been seen as honorable. Actually, if that happened, probably Golovkin wouldn't have come to the bout or wouldn't have come into the ring after the bout demanding a fight. So I think Canelo needed that belt at that time, to make Canelo vs Khan a bigger event. It was only when he was being literally forced to vacate it did he drop it knowing that he had the Liam Smith bout in his back pocket which was another Title Fight.

See, after fighting Floyd at 152, he lost his Jr Middlewight Title. He did non-title bouts after that before Cotto, and he was sick of not having a World Title. Floyd wouldn't rematch him, and he wanted another World Title. He didn't want to fight Khan in a non-title bout. If he would have dropped that WBC Belt before Khan, Khan may not have fought him, and he would have looked like a coward for dropping the belt voluntarily. Khan wanted to become Middleweight Champ.

But, the reason he dragged Khan up to 155 was for the right reason, because he held a MW TItle. Remember Khan wouldn't have fought canelo at 160, he said it on interview. In fact, Khan wanted Canelo to agree to 153 but Canelo rightly said "No, it has to be in the margin of Middleweight because it's for a MW Title".

I agree with what you're saying, but when you say he dragged Khan up to 155, that was fair. I mean Golovkin dragged Brook all of the way up to 160 lol. What i'm getting at is for all the criticism Canelo has got, when you really study what happened he's been very fair, and respectful to his opponents. Even Chavez, I mean 164.5 sounds like he's trying to drain Chavez Jr. But Chavez is "dragging" Canelo up 10+ lbs from where he's been fighting at. Khan only was dragged up 8 lbs to fight Canelo in comparison.

 

Just saying that the prospect of a Floyd fight makes people offer BIG concessions.

 

but you realize Floyd/ward at 160 was never realistic right? whereas ward/ggg at 168 was?

 

I think so too, IMO Ward can't go below 168 lb seriously. But he might try if Floyd money is offered to be honest!

 

If its the mW belt yeah
You mention catch weight so now tell me how he can now make 164.5 lol
The embarrassment must be killing cameltoe

 

Who Andre no concessions ward

 

To me it's a bit disingenuous to keep the MW belt when the plan is to take an easy defence and then vacate, sort of ruins the purpose of the belts in the first place. It was a good business decision though as you say.

I guess from my perspective Canelo has fallen off a bit, he was on an awesome run before fighting Floyd, Lara, Trout, Cotto; but Khan, Smith and Chavez Jr (-> the best of the bunch but not a particularly significant fight) is a big step down for someone who can fight nearly anyone he chooses.

 

so if a guy wins the belt at a CW...its ok to fight him and take the belt off him as long as its at 160? but you cant fight him at the CW he won it at for it?

 

sure..he might try....but we never had to even think about It as serious for a minute

so ggg will try for Floyd money...but wont fight a guy Floyd beat easily at the same weight? a guy who represents a huge stepping stone and a lot of money himself?

 

If Jacobs has the stamina to always be moving and not get trapped on the ropes i can see a potential points win for jacobs, Jacobs has the superior footwork and handspeed to hit golovkin and get out quickly, Kell brook proved you can do it but he will need to be able to take GGG's power. But GGG has no headmovement which should help Jacobs land different punch varietys and combos. This in my opinion is how jacobs could win

 

I wasn't actually justifying GGG, my opinion is that his Floyd-calling-out is cringeworthy. Guy is retired and over 40 now. Move on and focus on Jacobs, BJS and Canelo, or even DeGale, Zurdo, etc.

And yes, I've consistently said that if the choice is $15 million or no Canelo fight, he must take the $15 million. Mouthing off like he just did now doesn't help and just makes him look silly.

 

Thanks. So many contradictory things flying about to be honest.

Both GGG and Loeffler said they offered 164 lb, Sanchez says no they didn't. Ward apparently rejects 164 lb and then says he offered it. Ward isn't always 100% factual himself, e.g. Kovalev was the first one to knock him down (Boone was; he corrected it later), Kovalev needs to accept that he lost (!?), haven't lost since 12 yrs old (it's actually 13/14). So I tend to believe the majority of the media outlets which say that GGG wanted 164 lb, Ward wanted 168 lb. Not that that does GGG any credit, like I said offering 164 lb is a way of saying they're not that keen on the Ward fight.