How much of Mike tyson s potential did we see?

Tony Tubbs was a former world title holder and had a pretty good record. Carl Williams likewise had a good record and had beaten Berbick when he was still relevant along with Burt cooper and a few others. Not to mention having a controversial loss to Holmes. Tyrell Biggs was absolutely a legit contender. He won the olympic gold, was undefeated, managed by the Duvas and had some good wins.. Are we really going to compare these guys to man who had lost to Jesse Ferguson? And the bottom line is those men were highly ranked during my proposed time frame. Jim Douglas wasn't.

 

He must have been valued you idiot or else he wouldn't have shared the ring with him!

 

Williams beat Berbick a whopping two fights before Douglas did, keep on digging those holes pal......

 

Much like yourself he had ZERO value. He wasn't in anyway shape or form considered as a serious contender from 1986 through most of 1989 and was signed to fight Tyson for February of 1990 as a tuneup for the Holyfield match.. Think about it.. If Douglas was seen as a real threat or anyone of value would his people really have signed him to fight the champion just FOUR MONTHS before the biggest fight of his career ???

 

So now you're admitting that a lot of Tyson's previous fights were opponents of no serious contention and merely tune-up fights for Spinks......

 

The only person who's showing his ineptitude here is you.. I can tell by your feeble comments that you weren't around then. I was.... Berbick still had a rating when williams beat him. That loss took him out of the picture.. and incidentally Buster's win over Berbick is what STILL got him into contention anyway but it didn't happen until 1989..

 

That's not what I'm saying at all.. Because those guys had actual value.. Tony Tubbs and Larry Holmes were former world champions and one of them was an ATG. Tyrell Biggs was a former Olympian and an undefeated mandatory challenger. Tucker, Smith and Berbick were presiding champions.. Douglas was a fringe contender... See the difference?

 

I swear if Tyson and Douglas had never even fought, Not a single person on this forum or anywhere in the world would have any objections to the notion that Tyson had cleaned out his division. No one but no one would be saying that he had unfinished business.

 

Douglas was ranked No. 2 by the IBF, No. 3 by the WBC and No. 4 by the WBA you clown!!!

Your obsession with building Tyson up is nauseating to say the least.....

 

WHEN did he have those ratings Wass? When did he have them... He had them at or NEAR The time he fought Tyson.. Not for the duration of Tyson's reign.. And I remember him being ranked #2 by the IBF ( and organization run by Bob Lee who was in King's back pocket. ) I don't seem to remember the WBA and WBC having him at #3 and #4.

 

Has nothing to do with me "building" tyson up.. It has to do with me liking history better than revisionism by people who weren't around at the time and who are back tracking.

 

Of course he had them in Tyson's reign when he fought and beat an undefeated Tyson in his reign! Jesus Christ you are crackers.

 

Go look at your favourite ally, BoxRec.

 

Wass you don't know shlt about boxing.. Goodbye.

 

Buster Douglas's first notable win was back in November 1984 against Tex Cobb.
He then lost a close disputable decision to then-unbeaten Jesse Ferguson in May 1985.

He bounced back with a win over recently-WBA-champion Greg Page in January 1986.
* magoo, if you argue that some of Mike Tyson's challengers were legit based on them being "former champions", to be consistent you would have to give Douglas a fair bit of credit for the win over Page.
Instead, you say Douglas was still a "nobody".

Douglas lost to unbeaten Tucker in May 1987. It was a competitive fight. A few months later Tucker proved to be perhaps Tyson's toughest opponent to date, so It's not as if Douglas's stock went down in light of that.
But, of course, if you consider Douglas a "nobody" at this time, he has not stock anyway.

In June 1988 Douglas fought Mike Williams who was RING magazine's prospect of the year 1986 and was 16-1 with the only loss a recent CLOSE 10 round decision to a fit Tim Witherspoon, who was rated near the top of the division.
Williams was rated as a good up-and-comer. Douglas did a lot better against Mike Williams than Witherspoon had, battering him badly in 7 rounds and sending him a retirement. It was an impressive win, imo.
But, apparently, this doesn't help Douglas rise above the status of "nobody" either ....

Obviously, between these fights Douglas had wins over the likes of Jerry Halstead, Dave Jaco, Percell Davis, etc.

Meanwhile, I supposed to believe 16-1 Marvis Frazier was infinitely more legitimate than Douglas because he had wins over James Broad, James Smith (disuted), James Tillis, Joe Bugner ...... all of whom's status/rankings at the time are questionable.