How is it that ali "lost his legs" and declined during the layoff?

I'm not surprised, it was a sweet right hand to the temple. I've never seen Tyson so visibly stunned so early in a fight apart from when he faced Bruno.

 

This is just more of the Ali myth. The so-called post exile Ali was no longer facing London, Mildenberger, a shot Williams, an old Folley, etc. He no longer had advantages of size and youth over most of his opponents.

 

well my post shows the weight disparity of someone who gains weight will move less. Had Ali weighed 220 in the 60's he would not be moving around as light footed as he did. Some fights he was nearly 30 pounds less than that weight. Fans complain that HW's dont move like him well.....they arent remotley even 215 now.

 

Tyson ranks Holyfield as one of the biggest punchers he faced.

 

It's the act of backing someone up that takes energy, not the act of moving forward. I'm pretty sure most people who have put gloves on would agree unless the guy across the ring gives no resistance.

 

I had Holyfield winning the first 1st, 2nd, 3rd.
He probably won the 4th too but it was a closer one. I'll be generous to Mike and call that even.
Mike won the 5th round.
I think that was probably it for Mike.

A pretty one-sided beatdown really.

 

The scorecards to Douglas-Tyson were even worse.

 

I guess people like to think Holyfield-Tyson 1 was an "even fight" any time Tyson was firing back.
Totally ignoring the fact that Holyfield was blocking and rolling almost every shot Tyson threw, whereas Holyfield's shots on Tyson were getting through clean and accurate to body and head, sometimes stunning Tyson or put him off-balance.
The only time Tyson got in with some meaningful work through a round was the 5th.
And even there, while he won the round, he never seemed to actually hurt or bother Holyfield at all.

 

As were Holy-Lewis I.

 

Yes. Unfortunately for Lewis.

Tyson was never going the distance with Douglas or Holyfield though, so they escaped the injustice of the robbery (although King/Sulaiman/Tyson tried a post-fight robbery on Douglas anyway !).
Gotta love this crooked sport.

 

This is nut hugging BS, and unusually unnecessary even from a fanboy since Holy in the end dominated the fight.

The truth of the matter is that both had bit of trouble landing clean shots during the first five rds. Something the British commentators make a note of. As you say, Holy was very good at riding the punches, but Tyson partially blocked many punches that seemed to land or got in close to smother them or getting his head down so they hit him high up on the forehead.

Even so, Tyson clearly rocked Holy in rds 1 and 5 and won both those rounds. Holy in turn rocked Tyson in rd two and won that one. Very little separated them in rds 3 and 4, but Holy probably had a slight edge by how he succeeded in pushing Tyson around. On the other hand, that's not a scoring criteria. Anyhow, I had rd 3 even when I watched it now and rd 4 for Holy. So 2-2-1 after 5 on my card.

Your analogy to Frazier-Foreman might have been one of the more silly things you've written here, and that's in stiff competition with among other things calling MW Toney a head first brawler. And you will probably try to deny (as is your Trump-like habit) that you intended any such analogy, but it's right there to see.

Now, that's all the time I will waste on this unnecessary detour.

 

I think you're wrong. Holyfield dominated the fight.
It's not "fanboy nuthugging BS", it's called scoring the fight. You claim it's BS nuthugging fanboyism, and then when you go actually go on to discuss the details, you seem to acknowledge some of the details, such as that Holyfield was rolling the shots.
Holyfield landed the majority of all clean shots in those first 4 rounds. Holyfield never looked hurt, Tyson did.
Holyfield also manhandled and bulled Tyson around. You acknowledge that one too.
I had it 3-1-1 in the first 5, and Holyfield looking the stronger man by far. I think the majority of people saw it the same.

 

You don't have a clue about boxing if you believe Tyson hurt Holyfield or had him in any sort of trouble.