What Bellew should do to win

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  1. moog

    moog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I personally think unlike most that Bellew has a chance of beating Haye and a decent one. Do I make him the favourite, no but it's a real fight. I think he needs to drag fight late and if he does he switches to the big favourite in my eyes. To do that that he needs to spend half the rounds moving Haye around doubling up on the jab and spend the other half up close on his chest targeting punches to Hayes shoulder and roughing him up. I think if he does that he will have a good chance of taking it into the second half and winning.
     
  2. CutThroatFade

    CutThroatFade Rangers FC Full Member

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    I think you're crazy but if you are right or even if you are right in thinking that this will be competitive I'll come back and give you props.

    This to me is like GGG-Brook when a good number of posters here genuinely though Brook could win.
     
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  3. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    Survive the early onslaught which will be very hard, from then on in he catch hate with something big.

    David is designed for 12 rounds!!
     
  4. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    The only point of this fight is to milk casuals. Very likely it turns out to be a fiasco.
     
  5. moog

    moog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nothing like that fight as we all know Haye and Bellews best fighting weight is very similar. I personally think Haye has a good chance of winning early, if my life depended on one bet that would be it. I think if fight goes 1-3 rounds Haye is 95% likely to win, if 4-6 I see Haye as favourite by a little, if 7-9 I think Bellew becomes favourite by a little and if later I then strongly fancy Bellew.
     
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  6. Hankey89

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    Go and get in a ring with a boxer bigger than you, faster, more skillful, more experienced and with incredible punching power and try to drag the fight past 6 rounds.

    The logic is good, drag Haye into the later rounds and he might gas out... but Bellew doesn't have the skill or speed to avoid Hayes punches for more than a couple of rounds... and as soon as he feels the power of a legit big punching heavyweight, he will crumble.

    Go and look at the bookies odds, they're rarely wrong.
     
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  7. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    GGG vs Brook was a great fight, Brook was doing very well until the eye injury.

    This fight will be nothing like that, this will look a lot like the Haye vs Maccarinelli fight.
     
  8. CutThroatFade

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    I'm not comparing the fights together, I'm saying that it was bizarre to me that a lot of people here thought Brook could win when he absolutely had zero chance. For me, it's the same situation here.
     
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  9. kojak

    kojak Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Agree with Hankey89.

    I have nothing against Bellew, think he is a very good pundit / commentator also in fact. When he's calm and talking about boxing normally he's great to listen too.

    However, he doesn't have the same skill or speed as Haye as Hankey said.

    The main one for me is this, Bellew has been dropped - multiple times and stopped at LHW, ok he may of been weight drained but he's also been hurt at Cruiserweight. In his defence though, he's always gotten up off the floor when floored and also won.

    Then you have Haye, who has a much much higher KO % and has knocked out legit HWs easily.

    Unless some freak injury, I'm just not sure how Bellew win's, he won't want to engage much if he does feel Haye's power so I don't expect Haye to have to work too hard if this does happen.

    No one's mentioning how the additonal weight is going to effect Bellew either, because he's going to come in heavier then usual.
     
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  10. emallini

    emallini Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Haye stopped Fragomeni and Ruiz late. His stamina is fine. He gets a 2nd wind in about round 7.
     
  11. Twentyman

    Twentyman You dog nonce! banned Full Member

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    That was 7 & 11 years ago...before he retired for 5 years.
     
  12. ryanm8655

    ryanm8655 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In which case you're trading on the hope he can no longer go 12 rounds.

    If the length of the fight was a concern it'd be a 10 round fight.
     
  13. Twentyman

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    No not at all. I'm just pointing out that maybe many people are trading on David Haye being the same fighter as he was 5 years ago.
     
  14. The Nightfly

    The Nightfly Tonight the night is mine Full Member

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    Does anyone know? If bellews loses does he still get first dibs at fighting the breidis/huck winner for his old belt?
     
  15. zulander

    zulander Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As it's at heavy I wouldn't have thought it would effect cruiser rankings so much

    How can Bellew win? With great difficulty. If he's to win he has to excellent defensively - which he normally isn't. Getting clipped by Flores is one thing getting clipped by Haye could be night night.

    His jab has to be a real weapon Haye is gunna sit on the back foot Bellew's jab needs to be heavy and varied and stop Hayes ambushes.

    Bellew can't afford to miss he has to be accurate which shots. Otherwise heavy counters are coming his way.

    Pace - Haye likes long reset times between assaults - Bellew can't let him rest - he can't afford to go full Ricky Hatton but he needs to make Haye work at a pace he isn't comfortable at.


    That said. If Haye is 75% of what he was he wins. Haye's backfoot counter style is perfect for a guy who tends to be very upright, very othadox and Tony generally can be very wild. Haye will love that. I'm saying Haye in 4 rounds.

    The most interesting thing for me in this fight is how much speed does Haye have. I don't think he's as fast as people are making out after the lay off and that could give Tony a glimmer.