Golovkin " I dont respect Canelo he show me his face he gave me his belt"

^ Good post.

You never know. Maybe GGG says stuff it, and fights him for the 15M after all.

 

As if that makes it OK lol. Cotto was the Champ. Why can't you admit that the idea that "the winner of a fight" becomes a mandatory is absurd, as opposed to the Champ having a mandatory and being required to fight that guy.

What the WBC did was unusual, frankly unheard of, was it not? In general, a mandatory is given to a Champion, and then that Champion is typically required to fight the Mandatory in his next fight. Why wasn’t Cotto forced to fight Golovkin before fighting Geale, rather than Cotto being allowed to fight Geale instead? Why wasn’t Cotto mandated to fight Golovkin after fighting Geale, before fighting Canelo?

Will you admit that it’s very unusual for a mandatory to be part of a deal between two fighters rather than assigned to a Champion as is typically the case? “Canelo knew what the deal was before he fought Cotto”. Well yeah, and Canelo agreed to it all because what choice did he have? Canelo didn’t wimp out like Cotto did and not pay the sanctioning fees. And by the way, the supposed deal was that Golovkin was supposed to be the mandatory of the winner, but then the WBC reneged on that as well and let him fight Khan instead of Golovkin.

The whole situation was ridiculous on its face. You’re acting like all this was completely normal, for a challenger of a title to have to agree to a mandatory to make a fight. It’s completely abnormal. It's obvious that Cotto wanted no part of Golovkin, he didn't pay the sanctioning fees for the bout with Canelo, which was part of the deal as you say. By not paying the sanctioning fees, Cotto didn’t own up to his end of the deal, would you agree? How can a deal even be enforced when one party doesn’t own up to his end of the deal?

Of course he doesn’t, why would he have a problem with a commission working for him? Doing everything possibly to give him a better split, handing him over titles, etc? So Jacobs was Glolovkin’s mandatory, but he ‘easily’ could have DUCKED Jacobs when Jacobs wanted more than the mandated share???

Really, so Golovkin could have easily ducked Jacobs then, even though he was his mandatory? So they would have allowed Golovkin to duck Jacobs because of a split disagreement, even though he was his mandatory, but they wouldn’t allow Canelo to do the same thing with Golovkin. Golovkin could have ducked Jacobs and fought someone else and still keep his titles, but when Canelo did the same thing, they were going to strip Canelo. Seems really fair huh lol. Oh and they gave Canelo a 15-day deadline, but there was no such deadline for Golovkin with his mandatory. How can you not see how absurd all this is, the double standards involved.

He was forced to vacate. He wasn’t given any leeway to negotiate the fight on his own terms. He also wouldn’t have been able to fight Smith for the WBO 154-lb title unless he vacated. I know you’re stuck on him vacating the title as if it’s the worst thing in the world lol. When he fights Golovkin, that title will be on the line, and he can win it back. So as you GG fans say, Golovkin’s just keeping it warm for Canelo. Canelo let Golovkin have that title. It means nothing until Canelo and Golovkin get into the ring and fight for it.

 

Lol 24-7 every day,maybe he gets paid for his trolling campaigns?

 

It was unusual esp when they give Wilder a pass every fight but you failed to mention step aside fees and pointless promises that lead to this,they should never have said they wanted to fight GGG and for that Canelos image took a hit.

 

Yeah lol Thank you for admitting how unusual it was. Now lets see if BCS8 will admit it as well. I doubt it but maybe he'll prove me wrong, own up and admit how unusual and frankly unheard of it was.

Can I ask you a question? Lets say Canelo, or his team, said that they DIDN'T want to fight Golovkin when asked. Imagine that for a moment. Don't you think Canelo's image would have taken a hit for that as well? Don't you see, no matter what Canelo did, he was put in a situation where his image was going to take a hit. You've got to remember, everybody wanted to see Cotto vs Canelo. How else was Canelo going to make that fight happen if he didn't agree to those terms? Cotto wasn't going to budge on the catchweight, and I doubt the WBC would have budged on forcing him to agree to fight Golovkin as part of the deal to fight Cotto. (which as you've admitted is highly unusual)

Canelo did what he had to do to make the Cotto fight. He did it because presumably he wanted to fight Golovkin and couldn't have predicted what was going to happen. It's not like Canelo or his team had a crystal ball and could have forseen all that happened. As far as step aside fees, I'm not sure what fees Canelo ended up paying. I'd imagine those fees were included in the WBC's sanctioning fees for the Cotto bout as well as the Khan bout. Again, if Golovkin was being paid step-aside fees, again that goes back to how all of these shenagans benefitted Golovkin financially as well as perceptually. The WBC shouldn't have been paying Golovkin money so that Cotto vs Canelo could take place or so that Canelo vs Khan could take place. Again, this is highly unusual chicanery if this occurred. If Golovkin was Cotto's mandatory before the Canelo bout, then if anything, Cotto should have been the one to pay any step aside fees, not Canelo as he was the challenger, but what the WBC did was highly unusual, so I wouldn't put anything past them lol.

 

Yeah for sure and those double standards are there,I mean the Wilder situation is just a joke and no I wouldn't put anything past em either,everyone else avoided Golovkin and yet they don't seem to get the heat Canelo has?

 

I'm not an expert on the exact timeline, but I'm fairly sure Cotto paid step aside money to GGG?

I'm no expert on boxing regulations. So, let's admit that it was. As I recall the situation, Golovkin agreed to step aside for the Cotto / Canelo bout to happen so long as he was next in line to fight the winner. I think that's pretty decent of him. That's where this deal comes from. But maybe in retrospect he should have enforced his mandatory status, whipped Cotto (or as is more likely, Cotto would have vacated) and taken the belt.

Pretty sure he could have said no to the fight. He could have fought Cotto as a non-title bout, cutting GGG out of the equation.

I don't get your point I'm afraid. Golovkin stepped aside so that those big bucks fights could be made. Canelo took Cotto on knowing he'd have to face GGG as a mandatory if he won the belt. If he didn't like the deal he didn't have to agree to it. I think Golovkin was very fair to allow everybody to make the fights they wanted to make so long as he'd get a crack at the belt. The guy that got messed around isn't Canelo. It's Golovkin.

OK, whoa. The scumbag in this particular twist in the tale is Cotto, not Golovkin. I agree Cotto never wanted to fight GGG and what's more, I'm not even sure that Golovkin ever got paid his step aside money by Cotto either.

Wow, you really see this as only one way traffic. If the WBC played hardball, Cotto would have had to fight GGG as a mandatory, and he would have vacated. Canelo/Cotto, Cotto/Geale and Canelo/Khan never happen. Would that have been better? It might have been better for Golovkin. He could have got some good defenses in, instead of waiting for the divas to stop dancing.

The situation is not at ALL the same.

JACOBS, the mandatory, said that he wanted more or he's not fighting. Golovkin was happy with the mandated split, yet paid him more. He could have said no, and thereby avoided fighting Jacobs. It was actually Jacobs ducking GGG.

CANELO, the champion, said he wanted more or he's not fighting. Golovkin was happy withthe mandated split. CANELO vacated instead of fighting. It was Canelo ducking Golovkin.

Imagine for a moment that GGG said that he wanted more against Canelo and that if he didn't get more he wasn't enforcing his mandatory status. THAT would be the correct analogy here.

It's totally fair.

I don't mean to be a pain in the ass, but:

1) the sanctioningbodies are not even the same. WBA for Jacobs/GGG and WBC for Canelo / GGG
2) Canelo knew for a geological era that if he beat Cotto he'd have to fight GGG. He AGREED with it, ffs!

It's pretty damn shameful. But if he fights GGG this year or even next year I could say that I don't understand his reasoning, but I was wrong about him being scared to fight GGG. But if Golovkin is 39 and washed up, then Canelo deserves even more stick from the fans.

 

OK apparently Golovkin did get the step aside from Cotto:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/3wx1z4/apparently_miguel_cotto_did_pay_the_800000/

 

"here u go mr cotto...take this belt and go make 20 mil with it"....

 

^ Amazing post. Sheer genius. Added so much to the discussion.

 

its a fact of the matter...I realize the truth hurts your golovkin pride and internet ego...oh well....it will heal

golovkin is a saint! the patron saint of making other people a lot of money...god bless him

 

Its about time Golovkin started goading and insulting Canelo. Even though the Mexican ran away and gave his belt to Golovkin any bad talk has been coming from Oscar and Saul trying to dig themselves out of that hole they threw themselves in.

 

Worthless comment from a worthless poster.

 

I think its relevant...golovkin gave up his belt for 1M...so cotto could take it and make 20x that with it...that is very nice of golovkin

everything and everyone is worthless when they aren't pumping the pro golovkin excuse making agenda

 

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