What fights have you watched today?

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    UFC23.

    Not a lot happens in terms of greatness rankings this month (November 1999)

    Randlemann proved himself to be the best wrestler we've seen so far not named Mark Kerr due to his cardio and strength imo. I certainly think he beats Coleman, Severn and Frye anyways.

    Other than that nothing else changes. Coleman wins against a no name but he's just doing what he's told by the promotion now. Couture falls a bit because he loses again.

    Wanderlei wins another fight but not enough to move him up.

    Sakuraba beats Royler though in a great fight. Royler cannot compete in the clinch or stood up and at one point he begs Sakuraba to join him on the mat which was pathetic.

    Sakuraba forces him to stand, and then takes him down and locks in the Kimura.

    That was painful watching as Royler wouldn't tap. More stupidity than bravery but it didn't half make me cringe.

    Here's my ATG list as of November 1999

    1 Kazushi Sakuraba
    2 Royce Gacie
    3 Ken Shamrock
    4 Frank Shamrock
    5 Igor Vovanchyn
    6 Mark Kerr
    7 Bas Rutten
    8 Vitor Belfort
    9 Pat Miletich
    10 Dan Henderson
    11 Tito Ortiz
    12 Randy Couture
    13 Kevin Randlemann
    14 Mark Coleman
    15 Dan Severn
    16 Don Frye
    17 Pedro Rizzo
    18 Jeremy Horn
    19 Evan Tanner
    20 Kiyoshi Tamura
    21 Wanderlei Silva
    22 Chuck Lidell
    23 Renzo Gracie
    24 Carlos Newton
     
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  2. BCS8

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    Oh wow, I think I remember that Sakuraba Gracie bout. Didn't the Gracies protest that because he didn't tap he couldn't be counted out or something similar?

    Randleman was a tremendous wrestler, I agree. His takedowns were almost irresistible. Where he fell short was in the submission and finishing department. This was to cost him several times as you will see. His fight against Rutten was painful in this respect. Not to give anything away, but 1 x LIVER kick decided that fight, essentially.
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    Yeah Royler refused to tap but the red ended it anyways. His arm could have snapped the Kimura was that locked in.

    Yeah Rutten vs Randlemann was a previous main event. Kevin can take down anyone and dominate in the ground but he just doesn't do anything once there. He's a wrestler, not an MMA
     
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    UFC 24

    Main event got cancelled and not a lot happened on this event. Jen's Pulver and Dave Menne both made appearances looking very good.

    Over in Pride they've started their 2000 Grand Prix with Royce returning to action beating Takada in a very full affair. Sakuraba beat Mezger controversially. Coleman returns to winning ways and Vovanchyn and Kerr keep winning as well.

    The biggest development is in the King of Kings 99 tournament. Dan Henderson takes home the prize to cement his place as one of the best MMA fighters to date. Sobrel makes some waves as well beating Timura. Renzo beats Maurice Smith but loses to Timura. Quite a lot of changes need to be made now.

    As of March 2000 my list looks like this:

    1 Kazushi Sakuraba
    2 Royce Gacie
    3 Dan Henderson
    4 Frank Shamrock
    5 Ken Shamrock
    6 Igor Vovanchyn
    7 Mark Kerr
    8 Bas Rutten
    9 Vitor Belfort
    10 Tito Ortiz
    11 Kiyoshi Tamura
    12 Renato Sobrel
    13 Randy Couture
    14 Kevin Randlemann
    15 Pat Miletich
    16 Mark Coleman
    17 Dan Severn
    18 Don Frye
    19 Pedro Rizzo
    20 Jeremy Horn
    21 Evan Tanner
    22 Wanderlei Silva
    23 Renzo Gracie
    24 Carlos Newton
    25 Chuck Lidell
    26 Dave Menne
    27 Jens Pulver
     
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    UFC 25

    No real events outside of the UFC since the last one so any changes only affect UFC fighters. Jeremy Horn has lost a couple of fights though so he gets bumped out.

    Two things of note happened tonight

    The first is Murilo Bustamante enters the rankings with a very impressive display of BJJ to force a submission just into the second round.

    The next is obviously the main event fight between Tito and Wand. If these two never fought I would swear blind that Wanderlei would over run him as Lidell did.

    This is probably the last of Silva's big learning fights. He improved his stand up defence after the Belfort loss and any stand up exchanges here saw Silva in control.

    That being said his takedown defence here is none and Tito even when being pounded can easily land a takedown and hold Silva down.

    Despite what is said in my first paragraph here i find myself watching this and wondering how Silva manages to outpoint Hendo in Pride.

    We all know Silva is about to go on one of the best runs in the MMA history but here tonight he looks dangerous but exceptionally beatable.

    1 Kazushi Sakuraba
    2 Royce Gacie
    3 Dan Henderson
    4 Frank Shamrock
    5 Ken Shamrock
    6 Igor Vovanchyn
    7 Mark Kerr
    8 Tito Ortiz
    9 Bas Rutten
    10 Vitor Belfort
    11 Kiyoshi Tamura
    12 Renato Sobrel
    13 Randy Couture
    14 Kevin Randlemann
    15 Pat Miletich
    16 Mark Coleman
    17 Dan Severn
    18 Don Frye
    19 Pedro Rizzo
    20 Evan Tanner
    21 Murilo Bustamante
    22 Wanderlei Silva
    23 Renzo Gracie
    24 Carlos Newton
    25 Chuck Lidell
    26 Dave Menne
    27 Jens Pulver
     
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    Agree with what you say about Wandy. I would also have picked him vs Tito. FYI he gave Hendo a right stomping the first time around. When he wins he looks unstoppable, I sometimes wonder if he didn't have conditioning problems. Some of his fights Wanderlei looked incredibly muscular and blew his wad the first round. I remember him more or less doing that against Franklin.
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    Yeah we'll it's not far off from Silva V Henderson and I can't wait to see his adjustment from the way in which Tito dominated him.

    I'm gonna watch the full 2000 grand Prix actually. Can't wait to sit for an hour an half watching Gracie V Sakuraba. A fight that epic has no losers.

    Also looking forward to the comeback of Mark Coleman.
     
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    Don't forget to be nice to the missus in the meantime! :) Or you'll get an earful
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    Watching Grand Prix 2000 ATM.

    Too long to watch in one sitting though.

    Vovanchyn won a back and forth battle with Big Daddy. Showed a very good guard and proved himself to be the best striker yet again.

    Couldn't find the Coleman Vs Shoji fight anywhere.

    Kerr as we all know now is a druggie who struggled with life after the Igor KO.

    Gracie Vs Sakuraba round 1. Ironically this is the best Gracie I've ever seen and the rule changes hindered him here as he clearly won this round for me.

    He was stronger in the clinch and a much better striker than Sakuraba. He controlled the full round in the clinch but almost fell victim to a leg bar at the end of this round.

    Thats all I've seen for now but how different MMA history could have been without the extra rules. Sakuraba lost the first round to Mezger and the first round to Gracie. Very fortunate to still be in the tourney next round full stop.
     
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    Gracie Vs Sakuraba round 2.

    Another dominant round for Gracie, again the stronger man in the clinch, the more active striker and the clear ring general.

    Gracie tries pulling guard but Sakuraba blocks it and they return to the clinch. Whilst clowning trying to pull Gracie's Hi over his head Sakuraba gets a bit lax and Gracie maneuovres in place for a guillotine. Sakuraba appears to tap twice before trying to pull Gracie's belt off. Gracie drops the guillotine and gets it in stronger but the round comes to an end.

    Sakuraba is conserving his energy here quite well and although the two rounds have been thrown away it doesn't matters because there's no decision being rendered here. Brave tactics but ultimately they pay off in the end.
     
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    Gracie Vs Sakuraba round 3.

    This is the change. The round begins as usual but then Sakuraba lands a low blow and Gracie has a rest for a few minutes. You can see the anger and passion in Gracie's face, this man who's shattered his family's aura has just low blowed him. Sakuraba is just calm and collected.

    Gracie comes back firing and they exchange punches in a clinch, Sakuraba drops him. For the first time Royce looks vulnerable in an MMA fight. And for the first time Sakuraba looks like maybe the hype is real.

    By now Sakuraba has already compiled an excellent resume in Newton, Belfort, Marcia's and Royler but against Mezger and the first two rounds here he looked far less than elite.

    Now though, he's looking in control. Crazy how he's only at this point due to Shamrock being crazy stubborn and Royce demanding special rules. But here we are, 45 minutes into the fight and he looks in control of the man who's arguably the greatest in history.
     
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    Gracie Vs Sakuraba round 4

    More of an even round this as both men enjoy success in quite a back and forth round.

    Great defence shown by both men throughout, if i had to score it to anyone it would be Kazushi due to a nice solid combi he landed early in the round but over 15 minutes it seems crazy to split them over a 3 punch combo.

    Can't believe how fresh both men look, Sakuraba definitely belongs at this level.

    He's been fortunate the way Belfort broke his hand and the afore mentioned situation in this Grand Prix, but to be fighting on even terms for 60 minutes against the greatest UFC champion in history so far is incredible.

    The way Gracie is fighting after such a long lay off and with Muay Thai added to his repertoire is also incredible.

    This fight itself is incredibly incredible and I have it even after 4 rounds.
     
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    Round 5, almost the entire round is spent in Gracie's guard but Sakuraba able to get through with unorthodox attacks and his conditioning here is clearly superior to Gracie's as he's taken 3 rounds n the trot.

    He avoided any lengthy submission battles and kept everything in the clinch and stand up whilst making Gracie work to attempt takedowns.

    Giving those early rounds seems like a master gameplan now. He knew he could not out grapple Gracie but it looks like he's sure out thought him here.
     
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  14. UnleashtheFURY

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    I think Pedro Rizzo has become massively underrated. In the late 90s-early 2000s he was an untouchable killer in the UFC. Something seemed missing after that, he became susceptible to being KO'd and seemed to have a problem freezing/not being able to get his strikes off.
     
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    Apart from the Arlovski win.. Everything seemed to go wrong after he was robbed by Couture. Wonder how different(if at all) his career might had been had he gotten the decision.