Haye vs Bellew - Some surprised, some not.

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  1. andy2402

    andy2402 New Member Full Member

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    Here is my theory on what went wrong, taking the injury out the equation

    1) He bought into the theory that to secure a fight with Joshua he needed to spark Bellew out in 30 seconds. This came from Haye himself and Hearn, a clever move from the promoter.
    2) He had no plan B - as soon as he realised he had no huge speed advantage and Bellew wasn't going to hide behind his gloves he should have stepped back and played his normal (old game). He did to some extent start doing this, to a limited degree.
    3) He under estimated Bellew - who played a blinder the first few rounds not hiding behind his gloves staying open for the counter, well done sir.

    Whether Haye was injured in the early rounds or not which would have effected his punching power (I'm amazed Bellew didn't go down in round 4) Haye is clearly just another lumbering HW at 16 stone, even against Chisoro watching it now you can see it.

    Now - go watch the Klitchko fight, I know he gets called out for that performance but just look at his footwork and how mobile he is. Christ in this recent fight I'm not sure his right heel left the floor once. I'd say that weight on his frame is too much, hence the injury and general performance issues. Bellew called it and he was spot on

    I would have rather seen him back at 15 stone for this fight, he would have had a better chance at a HW run at that weight

    Well done Bellew (won me 35 quid, but broke my heart :D)

    If Haye has sense he will retire, if he only has a little sense he will come back at 15 stone and if he has no sense at all he will try this same formula again.

    I hope Bellew can get good money for a CW bout, I don't want to see him fail at HW in a last fight, but at the same time he deserves a nice pay day again (These poor cruiser weights eh - just no money in it)
     
  2. KnowNothing

    KnowNothing New Member Full Member

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    Bellew said Haye would gas. Haye was ging forward in the 11th with Bellew doing little and looking knackered.
     
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  3. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Great post
     
  4. Mc2

    Mc2 Member Full Member

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    I ve got a feeling because of wear and tear on his body over the years he cant get down to 15 stone. Hes probably limited in what he can do in the gym nowaday.

    He was training for months...for this fight. I m sure he had a date planned for a fight that fell through prior to the bellew fight being made. Was doing a training camp in that time and still came in at 225 or whatever it was. Could be wrong tho.

    Maybe they planned that weight but seeing him in that first six rounds...am amazed they didnt get it off him when they seen his timing etc was off in training and how slow he was. Again maybe just the injury playing a part. Hed be better not scheduling a fight. Going away and seeing if he can get down to 210 injury free. Its a tough one because no one really knows the extent of the injury he seemingly went in with. If it did even effect him or not.
     
  5. lawslaw

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    Did you watch the same fight??? You don't think there was a reason for his lack of mobility and the dragging of his right heel?
     
  6. andy2402

    andy2402 New Member Full Member

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    He may have Been injured going in, I'm not saying he wasn't but even with the injury he went about it all wrong. Too heavy

    I think haye could get down to 15 stone, alot of it is extra muscle mass which will shed off quite quick whilst he's out with the injury. As long as he doesn't pie it.

    You'd have to say is it worth it though , his whole game is explosiveness I'm sure he won't be the same opinion. Matter what weight after this injury
     
  7. andy2402

    andy2402 New Member Full Member

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    That's because haye sat on the ropes dor a few rounds and bellew throwing alot.

    Haye definately didn't gas like I expected and bellew definately showed the weight effected him. I'd still say overall bellew looked fresher up until the 6th , albeit losing the fight. Not by a huge degree mind
     
  8. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    He had a lack of mobility in the first 5 rounds before the injury happened. Then again you probably thought Haye won every round.
     
  9. lawslaw

    lawslaw Active Member Full Member

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    No. He had a lack of mobility due to the injury he was carrying anyway, which was aggravated to the extreme by rupturing in the 6th. There is no 'before the injury happened' in this case. He was already injured, even Bellew admits he knew this.

    I have stated several times on here that I had Haye 4 -1 up before the 6th. That is no secret.
     
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  10. Mc2

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    Lets be honest. No one really knows the extent of the injury going in. All i ll say is if it didnt hamper him in the first six rounds...his career at anywhere near the top levels over. I think it pretty much is anyway with the injury. Looking at another lay off at 36. He couldnt really afford any set backs giving his age and lack of activity.

    Personally think the injuries scuppered his training camp and his fight. Doesnt matter though looks like his times up. Tbf to bellew the game plan was always see out the first 4 then kick on. So losing them first few rounds meant nothing really. It was a pretty inconclusive night overall. Doesnt change the outcome hayes pretty much done.

    Gutted cause genuinely believed he had a great chance of smashing and grabbing the heavyweight scene. But after seeing that...its over. Weather its been the injury or not.
     
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  11. lawslaw

    lawslaw Active Member Full Member

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    Ironically I think he has a better chance of Hearn agreeing to an AJ fight in the next 2 years now, than he did before the Bellew fight. Obviously subject to his achilles operating at the same level it did pre injury after his rehab.
     
  12. CutThroatFade

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    Clearly his ankle was in a bad way from the outset. Why on earth would he go to Germany to see a doctor in fight week. He was truly ****ed.
     
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  13. Mc2

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    He,d just be cannon fodder now. I still think its been the injury thats done him going in. Regardless though...its another lay off with no training at 36. The body looks like its had it tbh. Hes been injury prone ever since he moved to heavyweight. I think his legs have gone as well unless hes had the achilles problem since the comeback. If one thing saturday night showed...its a young mans sport.
     
  14. Robson

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    Bellew had it won, why take a chance getting caught while he was so tired? Even an injured Haye could do some damage to a knackered boxer.
     
  15. KnowNothing

    KnowNothing New Member Full Member

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    Fair point. Think I need to let this go.
     
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