If James Douglas never had to go through the court case, and let it effect him the way it did, would he improve on his first win, and beat Tyson even better in the rematch? Or would Tyson show he was grossly out of shape in the first fight? I think Douglas has Tyson's number all along, he just didn't train properly for most of his fights and didn't always do enough to win. Douglas's mothers death finally gave him the motivation he needed, and Tyson from there on out had little chance against him. I think elite boxers who were not intimidated by Tyson's bully antics, with size and reach advantages over him combined with a solid jab, and a good sense of distance would beat Tyson at his best. I think Douglas gave us a good example of how Ali would deal with Tyson, and how he would never have a chance against Lewis, or the Klitschko's. I remember being shocked at how James Tillis used his size, speed and jab to out manoeuvre and come close to beating Tyson, and he was not that much bigger, and was in decline. Anyway I think Tyson's struggled while fighting against elite tall fighters as he showed through this career, against guys like Smith, Tucker, Green, Lewis, Williams and Douglas. I pick Douglas to pull of another win in a more impressive fashion.
Tyson would of most likely of won and in speactacular style. While I agree with you that Tyson would of always struggled with certain boxers, Douglas wouldn't of beaten a in shape Tyson. Even when Tyson was badly hurt, out of condition and beaten, he still had the technique and power to knock Douglas down with an uppercut. This was just in my opinion a preview of what a peak Tyson would of done. I don't believe Douglas would of had the mental strength to handle a peak Tyson. If tyson was on him landing big blows over and over again, you would of seen him crumble. That's my opinion anyway.
Douglas could of never duplicated that performance again, he basically won the lottery in their original fight. There's a slim chance Douglas would of won the rematch imo. Too bad King pissed off Douglas that badly with the long count bs, we could of seen the rematch before he got destroyed by Holyfield.
Really depends which trains to be in true fighting shape. Both at 100% physically and mentally is a pick em fight, tyson was almost as over rated as tyson fury
Good post. Personally, I don't think people realise just how important the psychological aspect of the sport is. The mind is such a powerful tool. A fighters mindset can have a huge affect on the outcome of a fight. Like you've noted, James sadly lost his mother in the lead up to his fight with Mike. He was asked if he wanted to pull out, but he declined. Something like that can affect a guy in a number of ways. But the way it affected James, was to give him an absolute will of iron, where he didn't care who he was facing. Because fighting Mike (The baddest man on the planet) was nothing in comparison to losing his mother. He wasn't intimidated. He used all of that anger and frustration as fuel to withstand Mike's aura of invincibility. After the dust had settled, James was flat. He'd had the most amazing night of his career, but then he really began to grieve. It wasn't a shock to me that Evander beat him so easily afterwards. Because mentally, he was in a completeley different place. To answer your question: In my honest opinion, Mike would have won pretty comfortably. Because although James performed amazingly well in Tokyo, Mike also underestimated him and he cut corners in training. So I think the outcome would have seen a rejuvenated version of Mike who'd have been looking to prove a point, vs a deflated version of James, similar to the version we saw against Evander. I'll give you something else to ponder: I truly believe that if Evander had fought the version of James that Mike did in Tokyo, he'd have had a much tougher fight on his hands than the one he actually had later on that same year. James had a lot of tools. But he couldn't dedicate or motivate himself to give himself a sustained run at the top. When fully fit and fighting to his full capabilities, he was a very good HW. I think the Tokyo version of James in that same mindset, would have given a lot of great HW's a very tough nights work.
Very good work there lots to think about. You seem to be the only person I have seen so far on this forum who had thousands of posts, and yet no avatar. Why is that if you don't mind me asking? I find it interesting? Is it some sort of rebellious thing?
JB shouldnt have been allowed to box in the first place whilst grieving. And yet without him we'd not have had tyson's fall from gracilis. Not that night anyway.
Honestly, I don't even know how to get one. I've never even looked into it. I just post, that's it. I never used the V cash thing either.
Been told on here many times that 24 year old Tyson was 'shot' when he lost to Douglas so the obvious answer is Douglas.
Yeah. A lot of people in James' position would have withdrawn. But he used his upset and channeled it in to something positive.
He wasn't shot. But nobody can say that that was the best version of Mike, just based upon his age. He obviously underestimated him, and he cut corners in training. Oliver McCall dropped him in sparring. He obviously thought it was an easy payday, and he didn't account for facing a guy with a will of iron. I think a rematch would have seen 2 different fighters. Mike was embarrassed by the loss, and James grieved. Although Evander was a special fighter, he didn't fight the version of James that Mike did. Considering how deflated James looked, I think a rejuvenated version of Mike who'd have been looking to prove a point, would have beaten James in a rematch. I think that night in Tokyo was a once in a lifetime performance.
Wow, I'm pretty surprised that the poll is favoring Douglas right now. It was a pretty clear case of Tyson and his team underestimating Douglas (they didn't even bring an enswell with them to the fight). Tyson was as unfocused as can be and he still put Douglas down for a nine count. I don't doubt that Tyson would have settled his business in the rematch in classic Tyson fashion.