The Greatest Ever- Ray Robinson, The Best Ever- Floyd Mayweather, Jr. Who would win?

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  1. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    Sincw.your boxing knowledge is limited, let me tell you that anything can happen in the sport of boxing. Floyd has never touched the canvas before but he could be knocked out here as well. In fact, srr has been knocked out one more time than Floyd and tasted the canvas many more times..I'm a huge srr fan, but anything can happen. That's what's so intriguing about this fight
     
  2. MVC!

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    Calm I'll get to you, I'm out ATM and I dont like typing long essays on my phone
     
  3. Contro

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    Anything can happen in almost any fight. Floyd mayweather stopping prime SRR is not one of them
     
  4. MVC!

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    This is just dumb, and it really shows that your boxing knowledge is truly limited.

    Anything can happen between two elite fighters, Floyd can be knocked cold, same with SRR. One punch is all it takes, buddy.
     
  5. Richards

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    Floyd is a bum compared to SRR that dude could knock fighters out cold stepping back

    If he fought Floyd he would put him in a stretcher

    joe louis "He is the greatest fighter I watched he could knock you out while stepping back"
     
  6. Contro

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    let me make sure that im understanding what your saying. Floyd can knock out SRR with one punch? What other welterweights of SRR calibre has floyd KO'd with one punch?
     
  7. MVC!

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    1. Well I think you need to revise your list, that's my opinion.

    And you can't simply take one fighter's best weight division (SRR @ 47) and Floyd's worst division (147) and compare/contrast the way that you do.

    Floyd wasn't just a defensive marvel, he was an offensive machine at 130 (On that level of SRR/SRL), and went 27-0 in that division dominating it and clearing everyone out.

    So your point doesn't hold much water. At 47, you can say that, but when we talk about resumes, we have to take EVERY weight class into consideration.

    Floyd can win via points, easily. SRR can win via points, easily. Floyd could knock him out (Very difficult), SRR could knock Floyd out (Also very difficult). That's the way it is.
     
  8. MVC!

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    Who has knocked Floyd out? This is stupid, none of those guys have been knocked out at 147.

    All this is is theory, that's why my question is legit.

    Because none of those guys have been knocked out at 47, we can question whether this would be the first fight any of those guys will be knocked out.
     
  9. Richards

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    srr showed his knockout power at even light heavyweight Floyd has not even shown it at 140
     
  10. Contro

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    Thats a strange question still. I dont think SRR would knock floyd out.
    i am ****ing with you to a certain extent if they fought 1000 times in parallel universes(just for the sake of the argument) im sure floyd could win by stoppage atleast once.
     
  11. MVC!

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    Well I can say the same for SRR then, can't we?

    But this is boxing and anything can happen. That's why my question, remains a legitimate one. 2 elite fighters, 2 guys never stopped.

    Now let's stop the slinging of insults, it's not going to do much for you. I'm here to talk boxing.
     
  12. Flexb

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    EXACTLY. Floyd barely beat a washed up Oscar, who was probably Floyd's overall biggest threat to him through his career when you consider skill, age, etc. And we all know Oscar was maybe 70-80% of what he was during his prime, he had lost a few steps by that point., but even a washed up Oscar was still a very good fighter. I would put decent money on prime Oscar beating Floyd. So in saying that, and considering Oscar lost their fight literally by 1 round on one judges scorecard (had that judge given Oscar one more round it would've been a draw, 2 more rounds Floyd loses). Guys like Sugar Ray, Robinson would just murder Floyd.
     
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  13. cuchulain

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    That's right. Its's your OPINION.


    You posed the question.

    What weight did you want them to fight at ?

    SRR only ever fought (in his prime) at 147 or higher.
    He began his pro career at nineteen, boxing in the 135 division for some nine months. After age 20, he boxed in the 147 and 160 divisions, with occasional bouts in the 175 division towards the end.

    So at what weight would this mythical matchup take place.

    147 would seem the most reasonable.



    If you're discussing a hypothetical bout, you have to look at both mens' forms at the weight where they would meet.

    As I said, SRR never fought at 130 and only a few months at 135. The only reasonable meeting point would be 147.



    This last piece is OPINION and cannot be shown to be right or wrong.

    It's not opinion that I share.
     
  14. MVC!

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    If we're talking about comparing them in terms of who'd win at 147, then yes we would need to assess the opponents that they fought at at THAT weight class.

    If we're talking about comparing their resumes, I'm sorry we can't just look at 147. We can't just say, "Oh Floyd only specialized at defense" because that couldn't be further from the truth in his earlier weight classes. We have to consider that as well.

    Understand me?

    Obviously at 147, SRR has the better resume, NO DOUBT. It isn't comparable, but it isn't a foregone conclusion he'd win. I think Floyd can win this as well, he was also an incredible 147 lb fighter a couple of years back.
     
  15. MVC!

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    @cuchulain

    "Floyd would probably be inside my top twenty, based mainly on resume.

    He was (is ?) a very skilled boxer, but his skills are mostly defensive. Both Sugars were much more skilled all around.

    Floyd had more defensive skills than either one, but his edge there was out weighed by their superior offensive skills."

    See, THIS only applies to Floyd at 147, you're not taking into account his earlier weight classes when he was much more offensively minded. You used this to compare greatness, and I'm saying you can't do this. He was just as good as those guys were offensively when Floyd was 130, from the eye test.