Holmes 78 vs holy field 96

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Taking holmes from the classic Norton fight against holyfield from the dramatic tyson first fight.

    Who wins this battle of the legend s. Does the actual fight between the two give any indication how a fight with a younger holmes would do?
     
  2. juppity

    juppity Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When they fought in 92 it was a ugly fight. Holmes was good 10 yrs past his prime but still was
    like a cagey old fox and very cunning with his experience . Holyfield was inexperienced at hw
    at that time but in 96 more experienced but being in some brutal fights.
    This fight under this scenario would be like Holmes vs Weaver a very exciting battle. Holyfield
    has better chin so no stoppage Larry on points.
     
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  3. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Or like Holmes - Norton but slightly more rounds won by Larry.

    I pick Holmes by decision in 15 exciting rounds
     
  4. joebeadg

    joebeadg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    holmes, and maybe by KO
     
  5. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Me too.
     
  6. Unforgiven

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    Holmes wins a one-sided decision or possibly late stoppage.
    Holyfield was way past his best by 1996, he was 34 and had been in too many wars and had come out of retirement twice already.
    Holmes was 28 years old and right in his prime in 1978.
    Prime for prime I would pick Holmes anyway by clear decision in a competitive fight. But with the 1996 Holyfield it would be a complete shellacking.
     
  7. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In 1978, Holmes fought a 34 year old Ken Norton and got a split decision win. in 1996, Holyfield was 34.

    So, I'm asking the question; "Is a 34 year old Evander Holyfield better than a 34 year old Ken Norton? And is he so much better, if you think he is, that he can turn a narrow decision loss into a win?"

    Bear in mind that a 37 year old Holyfield gave ATG Lennox Lewis all he could handle. A 37 year old Ken Norton was knocked out in the first by Gerry Cooney.

    Obviously boxing cannot be so easily broken down that if a beats b, then he beats c who got a draw with b etc. But it is a bit of context. I make Holyfield a much better fighter than Norton but Larry's mobile style may be too much for him in 78 and deny him the opportunity to counter effectively. I can go along with those calling this a Holmes win. But it wouldn't be a stoppage. Larry was no big puncher so I would bet my mortgage on Evander taking him the distance.
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    In my opinion:
    No, Holyfield at 34 was not better than Norton at 34. It's the wear and tear. Holyfield had taken more prolonged gruelling fights than had Norton at that point and had had retirements and health issues. Norton had had a few tough fights but he hadn't absorbed the beatings or had as many epic efforts as Holyfield had been through (for example, the Ali trilogy wasn't as tough on Ken as the Bowe trilogy was on Evander).
    Holyfield probably never had the stamina at heavyweight that Norton had anyway. Also, I believe perhaps Norton's style was better suited to boxing Holmes.

    Of course, Norton had a tough fight and a LOSS to Holmes in 1978 and kind of went downhill from there.
    Whereas Holyfield got a nice win against Tyson in 1996 and from that managed to stick around a champion for a few more years (though of course he really had no business hanging around as long as he did ... another 15 years !)
     
  9. JohnThomas1

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    I think Holyfield would give him an excellent fight. He's an underrated technician at times and i think he would be extremely competitive. Holyfield even at 34 is a much more rounded fighter than guys like Weaver and co and Weaver gave Larry all he could handle. A 34yo Holyfield would be the best guy Holmes ever faced during his reign imo.
     
  10. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Holmes by decision in an extremely competitive bout
     
  11. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Holyfield would have had the experience but wear and tear on his body, Holmes youth could see him through this. But the holy that beat tyson looked ready for anything so holmes would have to be the very best he could be at that point. Would be a tough a fight as Norton easily. Holy tries and rocks holmes several times but Larry has that great jab working away which tyson didn't. I see a very tight fight but Larry just pulls through for a split decision.
     
  12. Rumsfeld

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    I like Holmes in this one. I think he wins a comfortable decision. 92 Holyfield makes it closer, I think.
     
  13. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I like the Holmes that crucified Cooney, he was at his peak and would win a unanimous decision.Evander couldn't handle Norton either , Evander would have to go to war with Norton and Ken hit harder.