Any version of Lenny from 1989-2003 vs the Tyson finishing combination (round 3) in Tyson-Bruno 2

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  1. rski

    rski Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That version of Tyson looked like a winner against average fighters, but against a great fighter he was done for, as was shown a fight later.
     
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    What happened to Lewis in his 2 defeats to D level fighters never ever happened to any fighter claiming to be a top 5 heavyweight of all time i.e. getting knocked out by a single power shot to the face in a fight where he did not take any punishment at all. It has never happened to Tyson, Holyfield, Ali, Foreman, Frazier. This is deservingly a permanent black mark on his career and will leave a deserving question.

    Lewis to his credit when he got with Steward learnt the art of using his size, weight, reach advantage and learnt to fight big which prevented most opponents from getting to his chin. It is the same thing with Wladimir. But he has 2 single shot KO and that is a permanent blot on his career.

    And yes. A fully trained conditioned Tyson would have gotten his revenge against Douglas just like Lenny nut huggers keep claiming what a fully conditioned trained Lewis did to Mccall and Rahman. There is a reason why Douglas did not want the rematch with Tyson. Tyson fought so many fighters with the same skill set, size, height and reach advantage like Douglas in his prime when he was with the catskills crowd so taking care of Douglas would not have been an issue.

    Puhleez, sign of a great fighter is never to lose in such a humiliating fashion to D level fighters in the first place. Buster Douglas was not exactly a D level fighter, he was an under achiever. He even beat Oliver Mccall. He had way more skills, tools than Hasim Rahman. It is not like Lewis avenged a defeat to Foreman, Ali, Frazier, he should not have lost the way he did to Rahman, Mccall in the first place and doing what he was suppossed to do in the first place does not erase his losses.

    So because Tyson goes the distance it means it is a bad performance where he actually beat the **** out of his opponent and wrecked his whole career and finished him off by hitting him so many body shots, head shots.

    As far as Holyfield is concerned. For one he is an All time great fighter and losing to him is not really that big of a disgrace. The reason for Tyson snapping in the rematch is this
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    . But this is no way comparable to Lewis avenging his defeats to D level fighters in Mccall and Rahman.

    Tyson at his best from 1985-88 showed he could never be beaten by anyone in history. Everyone knows Tyson after leaving the Catskill crowd and definately after prison was never the same fighter. Lewis in his best apparent showed he could be beaten during his show downs with Bruno, Mercer, Mccall and Rahman during what were apparently his prime years.

    That Tyson could not even Ko Danny Williams, Kevin Mcbride even though he hit them clean. He had a lucky punch against Ettiene who just laid down and took a payday. His footwork, punching technique was all over the place at that stage of his career. They say the last thing to go for a fighter is power and i suspect Tyson lost his power at this stage of his career and everyone knows he was no more than a 1 round fighter at that stage of his career. The Tyson that Lewis beat was no better than the ones the likes of Danny Williams and Kevin Mcbride beat. Point of the matter is that Lenny has 2 single shot ko's in his career and the likes of Tyson/Holyfield do not. That is a fact and will deservedly got against Lenny Permanently.

    Not it does not happen to any fighter claiming to be a top 5 heavy weight of all time in History. It did not happen to Ali, It did not happen to Marciano, It did not happen to Holmes, it did not happen to Foreman, It did not have to Frazier, it certainly did not happen to Tyson and Holyfield. Doing what he was suppossed to originally do in the rematch means nothing and does not erase what originally happened. And no what originally happened were not flukes, they were perfectly legal well aimed shots to Lenny's face who was not sucker punched, he could see the punches coming, his face could not handle them.

    Blame Buster Douglas for not wanting a rematch with Tyson. But everyone with strong marble knows that a 100% Tyson will get the job done against a 100% Douglas. In fact the worst version of Tyson knocked out Buster Douglas in the 8th round.

    Tyson's Legacy and impact on the sport is far greater than Lennox Lewis. Lewis is already more or less forgotten, he has to continue to talk about beating Tyson as the hallmark of his legacy, avenging his loss to Rahman as the best moment of his career, about how he retired undisputed, about how he is the best fighter of the 90's, about unfinished business with Bowe, about how he wishes he had the popularity of Bruno and Tyson. You know why? Because no one takes him seriously beyond a certain point. A great fighter with an unquestioned legacy does not need to constantly answer these questions in every interview or raise these things in every speech but Lewis still has to do it because people rightfully question mark his career built on beating Tyson left overs and beating a past prime Holyfield and beating a shot to **** Tyson.

    I will tell you what Legacy is. Legacy is walking in a mall, store, boxing fight and having swarms of people shouting, screaming your name, demanding your autograph, picture, interview with you. Legacy is so many auto biographies, Youtube tribute channels and videos, people acknowledging your defeats in your career coming when you were past your best and not taking them seriously beyond a certain point, People talking about your career, your life for you without you having to say anything. Legacy is never ever being forgotten and being constantly mentioned against Mohammad Ali. That is Mike Tyson's legacy.
     
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    I think this version of Tyson can still get the job done against Lenny in the early rounds. Obviously if it goes past 4 rounds than lewis is definately favorite as he had much better late round Stamina then Tyson.

    Holyfield adopted a different style to Lewis and Holyfield had the stronger jaw as well. The style that Holyfield adopted was also adopted by Buster Matthis Jr but just 2-3 shots from Tyson and that fight ended. Tyson's problem in the Holyfield fight was Holyfield's strong set of whiskers.
     
  4. ticar

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    lewis fought some big punchers but never got hit flush except twice and we know what happened there.

    bowe was never stopped, and when on the canvas, got up and win the fights. lewis when down, could never got up.

    that's the evidence we have.
     
  5. Fergy

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    Tyson had a very short period of time when he was considered the best in the world. U could say 86 to 90. After that a loss, jail, came back, beat Bruno and seldon, lost again to a older fighter, then nothing. Lewis was a three times champ with just two losses and retired undefeated. True True boxing fans no who the better fighter was. Tyson was more famous for been notorious, the **** trial, the women, the assaults, the bite. Yes tyson s name is more well known but for all the wrong reasons.
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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    Biggest myth and load of rot ever. If it was even remotely close to true Lewis would be the greatest defensive fighter in history by a country mile.
     
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    Lewis's resume is filled with Tyson left overs, average boxers and the biggest names being past their prime. True Boxing fans know that the major name on his resume i.e Holyfield was past his prime and Tyson was absolutely shot when Lenny faced them. Frank Bruno is more recognized and popular than him in Britain. The likes of Tyson and Holyfield don't even take him seriously.

    Tyson is still remembered for the fighter he was from 1985-1988. No one gives a damn about Lewis, his resume, his career. He became a forgotten man the instant he retired while Tyson is still fresh in everyone's name. Heck Evander Holyfield is even more popular than Lewis.
     
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    His defence was pretty good actually. He used his height, weight, strength and reach brilliantly. Too his credit he knew how to protect himself, to cover up and to use range to his advantage. But the manner of his defeats will always leave the possibility that it is possible to end a fight against Lenny with one punch.
     
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  10. Sangria

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    Against Seldon?
     
  11. rski

    rski Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't count that as a fight...
     
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    I am a fan of the prime Tyson but I don't think he had enough to beat Lewis by 96. He looked nice and shiny against Bruno but it was all surface, Lewis's jab and uppercuts for a few rounds would have discouraged him pretty quickly I think. He was mentally not the same and didn't deal with being hit back the same. Tyson might be dangerous for a few rounds but I think Lewis had enough savvy to keep him off, he had been active and fighting decent opposition while Mike was away for 4 years. A real fight like this would give Tyson nightmares post prison, Lewis was an ATG and you expect a rusty mentally shot Tyson to blast him out? Based on the underestimated McCall's lucky punch, Lewis would be ready for Tyson. I am not even a Lewis fan, I think he would have problems with prime Tyson, but post prison, nope.

    In relation to Holyfiled, Mike lost that fight because of more than Evanader having a good chin. Mike was getting beaten up, out toughed, countered the hell out of, out worked, out boxed and knocked senseless. A chin don't do all that does it?
     
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    Holyfield took some very good shots from Tyson which would have knocked out other boxers out cold so i must say Evander's chin played a major role in demoralizing Tyson. Tyson at that time was looking to end things with his power and everyone knows that he had a world class punchers chance. As a boxer he was crap, he was even being out boxed by Buster Mathis Jr before his power bailed him out.

    When i look at the actual fight bw Lewis and Tyson in 2002, Tyson is so shot, he is just throwing single inaccurate shots and still Lewis was vary of him and very hessitant to be all out aggressive against that Tyson even though he was totally shot. Heck Danny Williams showed more balls and blasted Tyson out of there the moment he saw the guy had nothing left. I just don't think any version of Lewis could cope with this combination which blasted Bruno out of there, it is not just power alone but the speed of his hands, the combination of speed and power is something Lenny had never faced before from anyone unless someone can convince me of a similar fighter Lewis faced with the attributes of Tyson.

    Lewis had the opportunity to face Tyson in 1996, the court ruled in his favor and if he really wanted he could have faced Tyson but instead chose to accept the step aside money. He only started loudly taking Tyson's name in 2000 and mocking Tyson in interviews from 2000 onwards when it was clear as day and light that Tyson was finished.