Marvis Frazier vs Bert Cooper

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  1. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Marvis is the better fighter and Cooper the better hitter. I'd narrowly favour Marvis i think.
     
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  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Agree to some extent which is why I'm undecided. But Bert could crack and Marvis didn't have the greatest chin. It wouldn't be a walk in the park for either man.
     
  3. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    The thing is smith got by on size and being physically strong and wheathered a few punchers like Bruno and almost k.od Ruddock at that time,he alos knocked Marvis down in the 5th,against a better finisher??. I see no direct evidence to give Marvis the edge in a match against aggressive puncher Cooper if he is focused. His k.o loss to Holmes along with limited fights doesnt tell me he is going to win.More competitve than Tyson but Cooper isn't Tyson.

    looking at some head to head fights with Cooper he had? I give Cooper the edge and k.oing Marvis around 7 rnds.
     
  4. choklab

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    Marvis.

    they both boxed in the same gym. Marvis was always better. That's not to say Cooper was not talented. He had a good run at one point. I remember about 1991 thinking Cooper might finally become a good fighter after watching him against Hipp, but even by then he'd already lost horribly to Reggie Gross, Everet big foot Martin and George Foreman (who was still regarded an absolute joke at that time) not to mention better fighters like Truth Williams and Bowe who both destroyed Cooper so emphatically. So Cooper still had not got past a good fighter. Even then!

    Marvis fought and beat plenty guys better than Reggie Gross and big foot Martin. As an amateur Marvis beat Tubbs and Witherspoon. As a pro only Tyson and Holmes beat him after he'd beat guys like Tillis, James Broad, Bonecrusher and Joe Bugner.


    I remember Joe Frazier was asked if Marvin could beat Frank Bruno and joe said "marvis? I got a kid called Bert Cooper. Even he can beat Frank Bruno!" So Marvis was always regarded better
     
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  5. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, Marvis was his son ....
     
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  6. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    I watched them spar probebly around 89 or so
     
  7. Ragamuffin

    Ragamuffin Active Member Full Member

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    Both men equally talented in their own way. This one could go either way, with Bert winning somewhere around round 6 or 7
    If it goes past this mark, I would go along with Frazier on a UD.
     
  8. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Marvis in a close battle that could see Bert flooring him late.
     
  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Me too!
     
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  10. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    you got by on size and physical strength or you are generally agreeing with my post?
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I am in general agreement with the content of your post.Smith had power as well as size.
     
  12. Jfry

    Jfry New Member Full Member

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    Marvis easy Bert’s best wins were Willie deWitt and Joe Hipp if you don’t count the Orlin Norris injury