Gennady Golovkin's reign surpasses Marvin Hagler's reign

The title lineage still means something because you can always create a new lineage if the chain ever gets broken.

 

Truth right here. Hopkins string of defenses in filled mainly with title defenses before he became the World MW Champion (After defeating Tito in the DK MW tourny). If title defenses ONLY as the one real champion count, than Hops would have what, 4-5 defenses?

 

no, he owned a full world title before.

that is completely differenct from going with a 2nd tier title thats rebranded as world to sucker people into paying to watch it

 

Hopkins merely held an org title. Hopkins did not become the recognized MW World champ until he defeated Tito in the tourny.

Unless we have some form of criteria as to what counts as a title, or a title defense, then this discussion is pretty much pointless, for all.

People claim Hopkins set the record for title defenses, breaking Carlos Monzon's record. But Monzon was the recognized MW World champion for that streak. Hopkins wasn't until after the Tito fight.

So we have this to look at, which all seem to get placed in to seperate 'rules'...
1. String of defenses for the Actual World Champion
2. String of defenses with just an ABC belt
3. String of defenses with interim or whatever belts

Unless there is some actual criteria, or definition, it's more or less all the same. My 2 cents at least.

 

its a world title of a recognised org - what more is needed to be a world champ? theres only one world, and theres nowhere else to go after that apart from unification. When a galactic title is up for grabs, reply to me.

 

Except even the interim or super titles are referred to as WORLD titles, See where the problem arises?

But with your criteria, who would you say has the record for MW World title defenses? Monzon, who was the World champ, or Hopkins, who was a MW titlist until the trinidad fight?

If being a mere titlist counts, that opens up a hole nother can of worms.

Remember how Joe C and Sven Ottke were both making 20 title defenses of their SprMW belts? How can two people, at the exact same time, BOTH make record # of defenses? IMO, that muddles up both.

Anyway, just some examples of the convolution involved.

 

but he did it in BUMLAND , boxings worst division.
thats why his resume is crap

 

theres only one world, so any org can only offer one world title. theres np except or those dumb enough to be tricked into thinking theres more than one world title when there isnt.please dont be one of them dumbos.

 

Harold...if you are going to just ignore everything I asked, then please don't reply at all. C'mon man, you're better than that. I mean, it's just a discussion on belts and titles. Seeing this is a message board on boxing, the questions are legit.

Do you count Hopkins mere title defenses to be the same as Monzon's World Title defenses?

 

Ironically I have replied, and YOU have ignored me telling you that there is onlyone world, so there can only be one world title.

there is nothing complicated about there only being one planet earth. tell me why you dont get it. tell me why you have not rejected the idea of multiple world titles from the same person/body

 

yes in terms of being "world title defences"

BUT lineal adds weight to Monzons or anyone's defences. Its an extra topping, albeit the most delicious one. Thats all there is to it.

 

3G's WBA Super World title has been defended 17 times. Much like Hopkins reign started with defenses of the IBF.

 

The concept of the lineal title is 'the man who beat the man who beat the man.'

So once the chain is broken the concept is broken too.

In the case of the middleweight lineal title there is no direct link back beyond Hopkins being deemed the holder in 2001.

James Toney vacated it in 1993, and between 1993 and 2001 there wasn't even a titleholder in place.

'The man who beat the man who beat the man' at middleweight ceased to exist a long time ago.

 

If he beats Kovalev and Ward he's easily above Hagler as an ATG.

 

why would you say that when you know it became super after danny geale.

why would you need to live that lie? explain WHY, thats all thats left for me to know now, no more BS about 17 times.