P4Pbetter set of fighters GRJ and Walters or Lemieux and Jacobs

Based on..... mere looks? If you take a look at both guys competition leading to Loma, there's nothing that really stands out.

I mean, what makes Walters such a good win? Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting it's a bad win in any way. But it seems to have reached a level it really doesn't belong.

 

Both Walters and Russell Jr. would beat Lemieux if they were the same size. Both have beaten better opponents comparatively. I don't even know how to rate Lomachenko's win over Walters though, because Walters didn't even put in an effort, then he quit. I also didn't think the draw with Sosa was a robbery. I thought it was a close fight, where Walters had trouble hitting Sosa cleanly, but guys blocked, or eluded punches well in that fight for the most part. In my opinion, if Loma beats Sosa clearly, that will be a more impressive win, than beating Walters.

 

Well, what you (or I for that matter) think they would do if the same size is irrelevant, since it's simply a guesstimate. Case in point, Nonaire at 118, was a top P4P fighter. At 130 (Where he faced Walters), barely a contender.

NOW....GRJ has come back with a couple good win, but we're talking prior to Loma (For the same of the topic). And once again, GRJ had no wins worth mentioning. As for Walters, he beat Donaire, And Sosa (I forgot). And that's it, and supposedly way better than what Lemieux or Jacobs did. They aren't all that different IMO. Just preference for one fighter or the other I suppose. Because record wise, there really wasn't a difference.

 

Walters faced Donaire at featherweight, which is 126. Yeah all speculative opinion.

 

Yeah, it was 126. My bad.

 

If Loma gets a win against Mikey Garcia at 135 and continues to beat the title holders, it's virtually impossible to bet against him as fighter of the decade.

 

But what if he gets KO'd (hope not, Garcia is a mouthy knob!), he could struggle to get the right fighters in the ring. If not he is in with a strong claim for the accolade.

 

If they are going to be compared, maybe do it properly.
Loma comp
GRJ notable wins (Up to Loma fight - None
Nicolas Walters notable wins up to Loma fight - Donaire. If one wants to count sosa, go ahead, But he himself had nothing going in to the Walters fight either.

3G comp
David Lemieux notable wins up tp 3G - (N'dam probably closest to good win, but that's it)
Danny Jacobs notable wins up to 3G - Sergio Mora & Peter Quillin

 

Mikey Garcia will unify at 135 before he faces Lomachenko and that means he would've established himself as the best at 126, 130 and 135 (when he fought there). What Mikey does after the Loma fight isn't going to be of massive relevance. Mikey at the lower weight divisions is a threat.

Loma will want to fight the best at 135. Who is it going to be, Garcia or Linares? I think Garcia.

 

On paper, Walters/GRJ seem better, especially Walters, but Walters hadn't really beaten anyone ar 130 and didn't look like the destroyer he was at 126, where he mauled Nonito and Vic. GRJr's only big win has been against dangerous Gonzalez, who has always been inconsistent. You can say Jacobs/Lemieux are not better wins, but Jacobs came in and left Ggg handicapped yet Ggg still edged Jacobs. Salido did the same to Loma, yet Loma couldn't handle Salido's size and seemed to struggle with the Salido's style. There's different ways of looking at this. I always thought Jacobs, with his amateur pedigree, was always MUCH better than given credit for.

 

The Gonzales fight occurred AFTER the loma fight. Before facing Loma, GRJ had none at all. That's the GRJ I am using to base my comparison on.

 

Don't know if I was clear but I was talking about Vasyl not Mikey. Anyway, I know your a big Loma fan and he is very impressive and easy on the eye with that wizardry measured violence. Loma also has the legacy mentality which is always good for boxing fans. Despite admittedly boasting probably the flashier 2 wins than Golovkin can boast, Golovkin has a lot of quantity and good quality wins in dominating style = an underrated by some, strong resume already. I should also mention I give more credit, the higher the division (generally) although its not hard to concede that on a p4p talent level its Lomachenko all day.

As it stands I'm still picking GGG to get Fighter of the Decade.

 

Gary Russell Jr has fought absolute no one, Lemieux's N'dam win is better than anything Russell has done. Walters has Donaire and Marriaga ( who I think may upset Valdez) but let's face it Walters came for a payday, he had been out of the ring and just gave up at the first sign of trouble. Not that it's lomas fault he beat who was in front of him on the night.

I agree with you, not sure I could say those two wins are better than Lemieux and Jacobs either.

 

Fighter of the decade? Wtf.

 

Thanks! IMO, both wins over the two in question are essentially the same. Just goes to who one likes better IMO.