Roberto Duran Would've SCHOOLED Floyd Mayweather Jr. 9-3!

Duran started at bantamweight and fought at featherweight beating the likes of Ernesto Marcel before he primed at 135. It's definitely you that knows absolutely nothing.

 

He started at 126 Pounds , that is still not 115 Pounds .
115 Pounds is super flyweight.
Guy was exaggerating.
Never heard of Duran , fighting at Bantamweight though.

 

i think Floyd gives duran a lot of problem similar to how wilfredo benitez did

 

Duran was 17 when he turned pro and weighed 119 lbs on his debute against Carlos Mendoza.

 

So, which is it?
Duran started, as the other poster pointed out, at 119lbs.
He already beat an ATG in Ernesto Marcel at age 19 in his 17th pro fight, at 128lbs lol, better than any win of Mayweather's entire career by a country mile.

 

This is a bit of a myth, because Leonard fought how he always fought. He was not a dancer. Likewise, I think Floyd can beat him in a rematch, but like Castillo 1 and Maidana 1, Floyd's default style is flat-footed and relies on straight line retreats which sees him touch the ropes too much.

De Jesus dropped Duran in the first round with a left hook that changed the dynamic. That's not happening with Floyd. Duran beat him two fights after before he even went up to welterweight where I presume he's fighting Floyd. It was his 6th fight in 1972 as well.

Exactly, so clearly you can be shorter armed and still jab successfully against Floyd. Thanks for agreeing with my point.

It's pretty ridiculous that you think no short-armed fighter can ever beat Floyd when Floyd isn't even the most masterful outside fighter in history. The ATG inside fighters in history can give Floyd a run for his money because they're whole style is based on having shorter arms and getting on the inside. This statement is even more ridiculous when the two fighters who came closest to beating Floyd by decision, Castillo and Maidana, both had shorter arms. Your theory doesn't make sense in boxing.

I didn't pick Cotto to win but I said he'd be one of Floyd's toughest fights because I knew the jab and pressure would make it competitive.

If your basing it on how Floyd looks, obviously a smaller counter-puncher is going to make Floyd look amazing. Floyd's physical prime was at 130 but his overall peak, especially in terms of knowledge and skill, was at welterweight. Floyd wasn't too different.

A "Shaky start" lasts a round or two. Floyd lost 4 or 5 of the first 6 rounds. That's not a shaky start. It's strange that you won't acknowledge Floyd has any stylistic weaknesses against pressure.

Duran was strong enough to push back the much bigger Leonard, I don't question his strength against Floyd.

Hatton kept bum-rushing him to the ropes so Floyd just decided to fight him on the inside there. It was only after wearing him down that Floyd was able to walk him into shots from longer range.

I never disputed that, but Duran is better on the inside. Duran uses side angles Floyd has never had to deal with, great defense, a complete punch arsenal, and the overhand right that gets over the shoulder. I mean Floyd had to fight the rematch against Maidana purely on the outside because he couldn't deal with Maidana's variation on the inside. Floyd is great off the ropes but

No, what you just described was like a video game lmao, as if "stats" are the only thing that matters. Speed! Reach! Reflexes! Ignoring the fact that Duran is probably the best feinter in history, is great at feinting, jabbing, and slipping his way inside, and that lesser men have come inside on Floyd. Please acknowledge that fact: lesser men have cornered Floyd. Duran will too.

Floyd's default style is not to move around like Leonard did in the rematch. He's flat-footed and retreats in straight lines. I already said Floyd could beat him in a rematch if he does the minimalist only-outside extremely defensive movement that he showed in the Castillo and Maidana rematches. But even then it's no guarantee because Duran is better than those guys. Floyd would hope Duran gets fat in between camps, which is definitely possible.

Besides, before Duran quit out of frustration, the fight was very close on the cards. It was still competitive. Leonard didn't dominate him with that movement. There is no guarantee Floyd can successfully repeat the feat, especially since "no mas" is a historical anomaly.

Saying Duran lost to lesser men when he was fighting at a higher level earlier in his career, had dozens more fights, and fought on past his prime is dumb. All great fighters of the past have more losses than modern fighters because of the frequency of fights at all levels.

Why don't I understand that? When did I dispute it? You seem to think because I favor Duran, another ATG, that I think Floyd is ****. I agree with all that. But I disagree with the way you end it:

He's not better than Leonard. In no way shape or form. He's also not better than Hearns, and has a slight argument against Hagler.

Duran didn't categorically "struggle" with guys like PBF. PBF is a straight-line retreat counter-puncher who may be as fast as Leonard but is smaller, less powerful, possibly less skilled on the inside.

You know, using stupid words like "exposed", I don't think you've watched many Duran fights. I think it's pretty obvious you've seen highlights of the 2nd Leonard fight and haven't bothered to examine his career. You don't use any specific arguments about Duran's style, you just say "oh he lost and Floyd didn't" and that he has shorter arms, as if reach is the ultimate decider in boxing. If you can't properly analyze Duran with specificity I think you should take a break from making it your job to defend Floyd in hypothetical match-ups.

 

Haha, nice responses @Bogotazo. Thankfully I'm not the only one who realised Pimp C is merely descriptive and never goes into analysis. The minute you do, the 'boxing isn't a video game' card comes out.

@Pimp C clearly swears by a hypothesis that Mayweather wouldn't lose to the fighter with smaller dimensions. Yet, Castillo was 5'7 with a 69 inch reach lol. Hypothesis rendered Null. Moreover, Leonard had longer dimensions than little Floyd.


Mayweather remains overreactive to feints, just like he was in his PBF days (even more so). Duran was such a master of feints, he would use varied combinations of feints in any one committed movement and not only figure his opponent out, but get them to the ropes. His fights painstakingly always seem to end up on the ropes. Mayweather has shown countless times that he get shut down by high output on the ropes against considerably lesser fighters. It just so happens that what Duran was the master at is exactly what Mayweather’s weaknesses are in.

Maidana didn't come in at 170 mate, '20lbs on Mayweather' lol. Maidana definitely was heavier BUT Maidana has a welterweight frame and Mayweather has a welterweight frame, he wasn't an Errol Spence for example. I also maintain that Maidana would’ve almost whitewashed Mayweather if he hadn’t gone for broke in every single round even when the round was well and truly won, thus losing energy in the latter 6 rounds. Maidana should’ve done a Mayweather and a Loma in the final round of his amateur bouts and run his way to securing the round + Maidana allowed Mayweather to get back into the fight by fighting him in the centre. Duran would have a hell of a lot more success in the centre of the ring than B grade Maidana did or Castillo did lol. Duran would've stole rounds on effective aggression. Let's not forget to add the power dimension. Duran was P4P one of the best punchers in history.

Cotto was past his prime, too. This isn't even a Roach trained Cotto we're talking here. This was the same flat Cotto that fought Trout lol.

Guys like Duran know exactly how to nullify a fighters speed, movement and defence lol that’s what made him so great. Again, the basics of my original post should really put to bed why you can’t take anything notably major from Duran-SRL 2 in support of Mayweather in a H2H with Duran. SRL 2 is very, very different to Mayweather. That can’t be stated enough. Bogo holds a rematch version of Mayweather in much higher regard than I do. The only reason why Duran could lose a rematch is because he quite simply wouldn't mentally be bothered after already slaying him once.

'Duran isn’t up to the task, he was exposed and beaten by lesser fighters than PBF' - lol. What lunacy. By that logic, he shouldn’t have beaten SRL who is seen by the overwhelming majority of boxing historians to be the better boxer than 130, prime, IV’d PBF.

Duran was flat, fat, unmotivated and a LMW version of himself. It’s weird how past prime only matters if it’s Mayweather, with you. Leonard was concerned at how awful condition Duran was in early on in the Benitez fight.

Now you’ve resorted to ‘there’s no blueprint on how to beat PBF’ - are you hear for a discussion or to spout idiocy in sheer defensiveness?

'You can't seem to understand that PBF is an ATG the best fighter of this era who would be great in any era and arguably could very well be the best fighter he's faced. If this was a thread talking about Hearns beating PBF then I'd agree.’ - Your brain needs a break from yourself lol.

 

Great posts from Bogotazo and Gannicus above. I think Pimp should take notice of the quality of posters who back him up on this topic.

I'll also add Duran would hate Mayweather, his antics and all that he stands for and in no way would allow himself to lose to him. I think a clash of personalities would be a big factor in this fight. Duran would hate Floyd more than he hated Leonard. He would go into the fight in superb shape, as mean and nasty as ever and would enjoy dishing out a beating. I don't think Floyd could cope with what would be unleashed upon him.

 

That's something I hadn't thought of, Duran would be a man possessed. Duran thought he hated Leonard..lol.

Bogo mentioned Cotto's jab having success, that shouldn't go unnoticed either. Duran's jab alone would have a lot of success in setting up inside-work against PBF. He has the busier jab which is used in a greater variety of ways than Floyd. Duran would very slyly build his work with the jab into the territory of in-fighting. He incrementally added output to the jab and so the transition towards in-fighting would be almost seamless. A good portion of his boxing was to get to the inside.
Floyd is very textbook, almost perfectly textbook. He would box with Duran, but as Duran builds his work after the jab, Floyd would be busy trying to set up singular, clean, scoring punches whilst Duran would be setting up an entire body of work, imposing his own fight on Floyd without Floyd fully realising. Duran will then score more points shaping the rounds to his gameplan.

 

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I can see Floyd loosing fights vs other great. I however never see him getting schooled. That's just to far fetched considering the many styles he's been able to deal with during his 15* years as world champion.

 

PBF's jab was better jab and his jab to the body was perfection used beautifully to disguise other punches and to take the wind out of your sails little by little. I could see that jab to the body really frustrating a guy like Duran making him make more and more mistakes
How many short armed fighters in PBF's prime hit him with jabs on a regular basis? What were their connect %? I'll wait. You act as if PBF was some plodder that can move around the ring. PBF had faster feet than Duran did. He can move and outmanuever Duran around the ring. You're right about one thing PBF would box with Duran he wouldn't fight him. He fights him on the outside and in the middle of the ring. He's not dumb enough to go in their and try and brawl with Duran like SRL did. He will be on his bike looking to get in and out always keeping proper range and distance. Why fight a guy who's only chance to beat you is by fighting on the inside when you don't have to? And you think a guy who's a smart as PBF wouldn't realize this?

Let's talk about past prime and at higher weights shall we. PBF was past his prime at 154 a bad weight for him and he still won Cotto and Canelo. Benitez beat Duran sure it was at 154 but Benitez would always beat any version of Duran H2H and him then losing to Laing next was just icing on the cake. The difference is PBF wins his fights past prime and at higher weights while Duran loses his and his fans are full of excuses that's always the common theme here.

 

Yup, Duran would have Floyd twitching and nervous from the off with the veriety of faints and jabs he uses to work himself into range. I think Duran's speed is key as well. Not just his hand and foot speed but the combination of it all at the same time. The trickery combined with the speed he moves his body into attacking positions would be something totally Alien to Floyd. He just hasn't seen that **** ever. Once Duran gets into range and Floyd feels those thuds he's going to quickly retreat straight back and into shell mode. Floyd really doesn't like getting hit but I do think he's teak tough, a lot tougher and stronger than he's given credit for. I don't think Floyd has much to worry Duran offensively. He'd have much less success pot shooting Duran than guys like Pimp try to tell us, but as great as Durans defence is Floyd's radar is so good he'll be able to catch Duran coming in at times, he just doesn't have the power to even remotely hurt Duran. Getting countered by Floyd would probably just annoying him and urge him on more. The only chance Floyd has of ever beating Duran is if Duran turns up in poor shape and Floyd suddenly starts moving like Willie Pep. Floyd fanboys actually believe Floyd's a hit and move stylist and completely ignore the fact he's prone to being pressured to the ropes. The ropes is a very bad place to be against Duran I don't care how good Floyd's defence is when he's there. Someone like Pea would be able to slip away from Duran when pressed to the ropes but Floyd doesn't have that eel like movement so he's forced to utilise his shell and roll technique there. He'd have Duran missing a lot but Duran would also be landing a lot and winning the rounds. Floyd doesn't have the work rate to out land Duran and he doesn't have the movement to hit and move on Duran like Leonard could do with success in the second fight so this is a really bad stylistic match up for Floyd.

Floyd cant out work Duran on the move or against the ropes.

He certainly can't hurt him.

and I'm not sure how long he can last taking Duran's power.

I remember Leonard saying Duran hurt him everywhere, even when he was hitting his arms and shoulders.

Duran takes Floyd to hell.

 

Floyd hasn't fought all styles. He certainly hasn't seen anything anywhere near close to a Duran, Leonard or Hearns, or even a boxer with the silky movement of a Buchanan. He never fought a great inside fighter, he never fought a great technical defensive stylist and I dont think he fought a boxer with fleet movement either. On the other hand Duran fought them all.

 

Pimp C made it very clear.....MAYWEATHER IS THE TRUTH !!!!!

We all know the Fighters from 30 years ago are all lightyears ahead of the actual generation bla bla bla.

Drink your hot milk , kiss the Roberto Duran Picture hanging over your bed and go to sleep .

Good night guys , i hope you are all dreaming about Duran beating Mayweather.