Top 10 white heavyweights

James is a once in a generation type of player and basketball has little in common with boxing.

From the 1990 to current, 27 years and counting the #1 spot is almost always held by a super heavyweight. And when the super heavyweight was knocked out by a puncher, the man who did it was 20+ pounds love Louis weight. Only once id the super heavyweight lose on points, and that was a controversial razor thin decision.

I'm not saying Louis or Dempsey could not win as they were punchers, I'm saying the are up against the odds.

The amateur game is essentially the same with the top 5-6 spots held by large super heavyweight types with skills.

6'4" to 6'6" tall used to be rare pre 1980 for the top amateurs or professional heavyweights, now its common in the top ten. Think about that for a moment. - Mendoza

Which super heavyweight did Louis or Tyson ever beat on the level of Bowe, Klitschko, or Lewis?

None. I think Louis would have a very tough time matching up vs the best from 1990-2017, simply because he has slow feet, less height, and less range, poor defense, and pretty much every skilled super heavy has a longer jab, with power behind it, and huge height, reach and weight advantage.

Tyson would have a better chance, but he never beat a top level surer heavyweight. He lost baldy to Douglas, a super heavy with skills, and was pitiful at the hands of Lennox Lewis. I think his swift attacking style with dynamic feet helps a bit, but if he's fighting a good clincher, he will be worn down. Even Tyson at his best was a bit of a front runner and had no plan B once he was hit hard.

However Tyson did prove he could beat quality big men in Bruno ( Bruno stunned him though ) and , Tucker ( Tucker injured his hand in round 1 ) and, Smith, so he's a little more proven vs big guys than Joe Louis is.

There have very few decent shorter fighters from 1990-2017 at heavyweight.

Tua for example was short, but he wasn't going to win any decisions!

So a short 5'10" guy to win today outside of a lottery punch is going to need a lot of power, a good chin, and the will to mix it & risk it when he's being hit from range.

Personally I think the days of 6 foot or shorter, 210 pounds or lighter, and 74" reach or less are essentially out of the heavyweight championship run in history.

 

There are very few rural boxing gyms, but far more Urban gyms.

Most USA boxing gyms are in poorer areas with high minority populations so this to me explains the participation rates.

You have to be poor to working class and live near a boxing gym for success in general.

If your middle class or above, usually your parents will steer their child far away from boxing.

 

Oddly enough, I think that's changing as a result of boxing becoming a popular fitness program. I'm not sure how many of those people end up taking it seriously though.

 

This is true. But it's not real boxing in a ring, it's moving around or hitting a bag to relieve stress / improve fitness.

 

no he was entirely outclassed.

 

those who were stolen from africa, surviving sea crossing and extremes of the worst brutality known in America till that time, were around more to lend to the gene pool, passed on genes relating to physical ability to survive.

 

lol...as always whatever you say is totally opposite from reality which is good for anyone that disagrees with you...you and Dino remind me of a siamese twins on a forum this is what i imagine you as two dummies stuck together.......lol.........

 

Carnera was around the same level as Bowe, maybe better. It's a close call.

Louis does not have slow feet or poor defense.
This is a huge oversight, and I can only attribute it to the production value of his fight films.

Guys like Louis and Baer are not at a huge disadvantage by their reach or height.
These guys are not David Haye, dancing and teasing on the outside and throw and occasional overhand from the safety of being 10 ft away.
Baer eats some incredibly hard jabs and straights from Primo that would destroy the confidence of a modern fighter. But these guys had balls of steel, and would constantly recover from big shots without making a big deal of it, and get back to work.

Louis wouldn't freeze up across the ring from Lennox or Wlad.
Those would be some damn tough fights. And Louis could lose, but I favor him because of his technique, IQ, speed and power.
I think Joe Louis is an incredibly dangerous matchup for the both of them. They won't have the mobility to move when he attacks.

 

Those same Italians were even poorer in Italy, tho. That's why they made the trip from Abruzzo, Basilicata, Sicily...

 

if you say that its fine, anyone else would be an issue.

 

What they didn't have was access to world-caliber coaching and pro infrastructure. All the hunger, desperation, and drive that is often a consequence of poverty doesn't make a lick of difference if the means to channel, develop, and capitalize on it are missing.

We still see this today- there's a lot of talent that will never see the light of day professionally as a result.

 

Carnera around the same level as Bowe? Few would agree with that.

Louis' defensive deficiencies and slow feet are easy to spot on film.

Baer was a gritty fighter only twice, other times he was Max the clown.

Louis did not have a great ring IQ by the way. He often needed a re-match and Blackburn's advice to fight the fight he should have.

 

In terms of H2H ability, in no particular order:

Fury
Wlad
Vitali
Sanders
Morrison
Povetkin
Cooney
Usyk
Chagaev
Golota

Honourable mentions to Quarry, Adamek, Dempsey, Marciano, Ingo, Damiani, Huck, Lebedev, Coetzee and Max Baer.

 

If you haven't noticed that is what boxers do lmao. You don't honestly think that most boxers just come up with their own fight plan in between rds do you?

You said this in response to a claim that Louis would beat Lewis and Wlad. This is contradictory however because Lewis needed a rematch on two occasions that he got knocked out on both and he didn't rematch Mercer. Wlad needed a rematch with Brewster, he needed a rematch with Peter, and he didn't rematch Sanders or Purrity.

 

No jerry quarry ? He fought everyone ducked no one. The man had guts.didnt he ko shavers in 1 rd ?