How would prime Calzaghe have done in THE SUPER SIX??

Ha!

Quite right Kevin.

Anything more to add?

 

Complete nonsense.

Prove it then.

 

What I meant was very simple. Jones moved up seemlessly to light heavy. It became a natural weight for him, but never was for Calzaghe. The Jones chin was hidden fora long time, and he gets credit for hiding it (like MAyweather). But it's irrefutable - it didn't become a pathetic chin over night.

 

bailey,

Not at all.

Again: I can accept a difference of opinion as long as it's based on logic.

Saying that Joe would have mutilated Ward and Dawson like they were absolute nobodies, is completely illogical. Why? Because there is zero evidence to even support that theory. He didn't mutilate Bernard, or any other A level fighter. It never happened once throughout his entire career. If you're both intelligent and reasonable, you'd know that it would have been a very tough fight for both guys. Again, I can definitely envisage Joe beating him. But like he was nothing? No chance. This guy Todd is an ignoramus. He's debating on pure emotion.

I haven't got any prediction threads.

Which means, what??

Here's a prediction: I predict that Todd can't tie his own shoe laces.

You're telling me that those predictions are akin to predicting that Joe would have multilated Andre Ward?

Seriously?

I understand that perfectly. I've said all along it would have been a very difficult fight for both guys.

Again: I respect anybody's opinion of Joe beating Andre. But not like he was some nobody. And I have history on my side.

 

I don't have to pretend that the thread doesn't exist.

I debated with Serge in a respect manner, read all of his links, and then I uploaded many of my own.

Bump it.


Now let's put our opinions to one side and look at some actual facts:

1. He admitted that he'd lost a step after the Watson tragedy.

2. He hadn't fought at SMW in 2 years.

3. He hadn't won at the weight in almost 3 years.

4. He only had 11 days notice.

5. He said that had he still been with Ronnie Davies, Ronnie wouldn't have let him take the fight.

6. He had no southpaw sparring.

7. He couldn't do proper roadwork.

8. He said he couldn't pivot properly.

9. He had to have injections in his knees in the dressing room prior to the fight.

10. At SMW, he was coming off of back to back losses against Collins, and he admitted that he should have lost to Schommer and Benn.


Those are facts.

He was physically past his best, and he was mentally scarred from the Watson tragedy.

Now if you want me to be generous, I'll retract my original statement to say that he was somewhat faded. Because despite what I've written above, he showed he still had a lot left in the tank against Joe, as well as afterwards in his heroic displays against Thompson that you've noted.

The only reason I've pulled you, is because of your awful double standards.

If Ward had fought the version of Eubank that Joe fought, I know that from 5 years of debating with you, that you'd have gladly listed everything that I have.

You don't rate Joe's win based on the exact version of Eubank that Joe fought, whilst taking into account the circumstances. You completely turn a blind eye, and claim that Joe beat one of the greatest SMW's of all time, only focusing on his overall achievements. Now what you have to accept, is that: Eubank wasn't a great SMW at the time he fought Joe. And nothing you say will change that. He was past his best. And whether you want to use the words: somewhat or slightly, it doesn't really matter. At some point, you have to use the word: faded.

 

I agree that beating Kessler was a greater win than what the others would have been. Obviously Johnson lost to Woods. However, it was a close fight, and he'd already lost multiple fights before that. So I don't see what huge difference it would have made. Bika and Manfredo had done absolutely nothing.

 

Misquoting you?

You wrote it twice on pages 11 and 12.

You're incapable of forming a simple sentence.

You tried twice and still couldn't manage it.

I'm actually feeling a little bad for embarrassing you like this. Although, you've more than asked for it.

 

That's complete nonsense.

After 5 years of debating with me, it's an absolute joke to claim that.

 

This is your contribution:


"Joe would have mutilated Ward"

"Joe would have mutilated Dawson"

"You share crush for Calzaghe lose"


Aren't we blessed to have you here.

 

...yes it did and if you don't know that that can happen after a KO loss and what it looks like when a fighter has wiped out punch resistance vs just a regular bad chin then you don't know enough about boxing. Bad chin=gets knocked down or hurt easily and often.
Damaged=everything is fine until the fighter drops like he's been shot in the head, doesn't get up, can't recover and is hurt and out of it for extended period of time. After RJJ got KO'd by Johnson he couldn't leave the ring for 15 minutes. Infact DURING the johnson fight you could tell something was wrong with him because his legs looked like he was stuck in mud. He was still badly affected from the tarver KO and the johnson KO finished him.
Again emanuel steward explained this and dr Margaret goodman spoke about it extensively. Do you really think he could have been on top for a decade with a "touch me and I go to sleep for 10 minutes" chin without anyone noticing? Would he have gotten through the first tarver fight?

 

He was still capable of beating top level fighters though.

 

So what?

 

Can't believe just how highly regarded Calzaghe is on this forum. Is it because he retired undefeated?

Would also like to add that the argument that Ward would avoid/duck Joe is ludicrous when the reverse would be far more likely given the former has undertaken challenges the latter never came close to matching.

 

The first part of your post doesn't make sense.

Regarding the weight, Joe could have fought at LHW for many years. He had to come down from 14 stone and literally starve himself to make SMW.

The disgraceful thing was to fight a guy who he'd labelled as shot beforehand, and who he'd never have dared to have fought when he was anywhere near his best.

 

Can you even envisage Glen bullying and then knocking out a pre-Ruiz version of Roy, at LHW?