How would prime Calzaghe have done in THE SUPER SIX??

Yeah, he had a great 5th round, but he couldn't sustain it. The hand speed was there, but not the legs.

He was great against Lacy because he obviously had zero respect for him. He was just a static punching bag. He could do that to low level guys whilst he could still make LHW.

The Lebedev loss was horrible. But to me, it just showed how great he was when he was prime. The version of Roy who fought Lebedev, was a shell of the fighter he'd once been. He was 42 years old, he'd been inactive for over a year due to a knee operation, he was slow, and yet he still gave Lebedev a competitive fight until the last moment. And you have to note that although he's not special, Lebedev is a good fighter, and one of the best CW's in the the world, if not THE best CW in the world. So if that version of Roy could be competitive, could you imagine what would have happened had Lebedev have fought the near 200 pound version of him who'd fought Ruiz? I think that version of Roy would easily have beaten Levedev. And I also think he'd have cleared out today's CW division with ease.

 

Just let ******s hang themselves

 

Another nothing post.

You probably think that you "mist" a lot of school.

Are you going to explain how Joe would have trashed Ward, yet he couldn't trash lots of lesser fighters?

I never said I was a big fan of Joe's all throughout his reign. He was a great fighter, but I lost a lot of respect for him due to the nonsense he spoke of I n the latter part of his career. He underachieved. His 21 defences of his lightly regarded WBO belt is what cost him earlier big fight opportunities. But once again: you have misunderstood my point. How many times have I noted that he was great? Many times. You're so stupid, you accused me of belittling his win against Reid, just because I said it was hard fought. You also said that Reid didn't nearly get the nod, despite the fact that it was a close fight where Joe won on an S/D. To label you a weasel, would be an insult to a weasel. You're an absolute embarrassment.

 

I disagree, not with ease.
the current CW division is very good and the Jones that fought ruiz had been slowing down for 5 years. I think Usyk would have been trouble. And I don't think he could have beaten toney or hopkins by 2003.
When he went from inhumanly fast in the mid 90s to "just" extremely fast around 2000-2001 IMO he was no longer unbeatable(IMO the 93-98 version of him would be odds favorite over anyone else in history 160-175). he couldn't have pulled off what he did against toney anymore. He was fast enough to avoid the counter right hand by a hair for the most part but I think toney could have gotten to him once jones slipped a little, spent more time on the ropes, threw less punches

 

He's waiting for you to embarrass yourself further.

He won't "AFTER" wait long though.

 

Actually he might still have taken hopkins by 03 but not toney. Not at 190 or higher.

 

I respect your opinion, but I'd take the Ruiz version of Roy over the HW versions of Toney that we saw, as well as all of today's CW's. He was still the fastest 200 pound fighter in the world, and he still had that confidence and belief in himself. He became gun shy after the knockout losses. A fight against Toney in 03 could have been great.

I'd also definitely have picked him over Bernard at a 168 C-W in 2002. Bernard ran his mouth, but when it came down to it, he wouldn't sign a $6m contract.

 

Do you mean had he not have gone to HW, or the specific version who fought Tarver in 2003?

 

Either. Jones tht fought julio Gonzalez is the last one who I think beats toney at the same age. And even that roy wasn't the same fighter as he was when he first moved up. Toney at HW 2005-2008 wasn't quite toney that fought jirov and holyfield either.
At 190 or higher and 2002 or later Roy would be weighed down a bit by the extra weight, plus age...just enough that he wouldn't be able to get out of the way of toney's counters like he did in 94. In 94 that counter right hand missed by a Kunthair . By 2002 he wouldn't be able to move as much as in 94 either. Toney would make roy fight at a pace that he didn't like fighting at anymore at that stage. And if he manages to slow roy down and "stabilize" him, while he probably couldn't just taken the lead and hit roy even if he slows him down, he could probably draw roy into a close range fight in the later rounds were toney would out hustle him on the inside.
However roy took a body attack about as well as anyone ever, dozens of guys tried slowing him down with a body attack and it never really seemed to affect him.

 

Froch has a better resume but probably loses to Joe.

 

Spaz out again?

Ha!

Okay chief.

 

Again, I respect your opinion. Yes, Roy wasn't the fighter he'd once been at that stage, but then neither was James. James also wasn't as fast has he'd been in 94 with the added weight.

I just think it would have been the same result. I think it would have been a lacklustre fight, where Roy would have cautiously pot shotted his way to another U/D. Even at 200 pounds or just under, he'd have been significantly faster.

I could only envisage James beating the versions of Roy that fought Lebedev and beyond.

 

This is how I see it personally, I think the RJJ of the Ruiz fight would have had a difficult fight on his hands against Usyk at least. Maybe that's more to do with how highly I rate Usyk, as I definitely agree that younger, prime RJJ was basically unbeatable at 160-175.

As to the thread question, I'd see a prime Calzaghe vs Ward as a close to 50/50 affair. Maybe slightly lean to Ward if I had to choose, but could definitely see Calzaghe outworking Ward for a decision.