How Do You Beat Loma

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  1. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't know what it is eating tainted meat or what ever but Mexican have the chin, skills, heart, stamina to give special boxers like Loma a tough fight. Ricans he fought like Sosa looked like he was fading right from round 3. I mean come on round 3 dude was already wilting. Don't get me started on that Jamaican quitter Nichola Walters.
     
  2. qwertyblahblah

    qwertyblahblah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    His jab and precision punching definitely would be way harder to deal with than anyone Loma's fought yet excepting Salido. But of course we can also say Mikey's faced too many relatively easy targets. The angles Loma would present would mean Mikey couldn't so easily find him with the jab or catch him coming in. You're dreaming if you think Mikey could time Loma like he did Zlaticanin. It would be really tense with both guys not finding the other cleanly for several rounds I think.
     
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  3. PH|LLA

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    If you can keep him in front of you with a snappy left that prevents him from side stepping you to his right, eventually you could be able to time him with the right hand down the pipe as he lunges in. Not easy cause he is so quick on his feet. But I feel that 1 - with his head and body movement it's useless to try to pressure him cause he will make you chase air all night and 2 - because he doesn't throw with a lot of pop you can try to catch him coming in without being too worried about catching one in return. I think look at Calzaghe vs Hopkins for a good example (even though Calzaghe won, he still got chin checked and it was a close fight).

    I wouldn't look to Salido as an example because he came in overweight and threw low blows all night and was getting his ass whipped in the championship rounds.
     
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  4. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Both drained Corrales AND Gatti were outclassed before the contract was signed, too.
    Corrales had just ballooned too high in weight because of the problems in his life and he needed to pay for legal bills so immediately took this fight, cut weight and was a dead man walking (I wasn't even aware of this until last year, I'm shocked that *****'s have never once mentioned it).

    Gatti was completely and utterly past prime.
    Sosa is prime and a genuinely proven, good fighter who was coming off two good performances and would beat Walters in a rematch.

    Loma was in there telling the ref about this because in his experience, refs haven't been able to do their job and Sosa still landed a number of low blows and tried to come in with headbutts (the latter being undetected often by the ref so Loma did the right VETERAN move by making mention of it). A TBE level fighter has a loss on his record because he didn't speak up.

    You're right, it's not quite the same as that, but when people talk about Mayweather's best performances for example, many choose a completely past prime version of a guy who's a B grader when prime, in Gatti.
    Squeaking past a guy like Marquez in retrospect doesn't mean as much. Dominating a fat, slow, tiny, cheated on the weigh in by 5lbs, majorly stylistically disadvantaged, risen up 2 weight classes etc. version of Marquez (which is what Mayweather did) certainly isn't as impressive either.

    I don't believe there have been many great scalps in history of 130. Loma may not go down as the greatest SFW if he doesn't stay there, BUT he can go down as the BEST. Beating an elite on par with Diego Corrales (a healthy one) would obviously mean a lot more, BUT even then Corrales is no way near to being an ATG let alone another high end ATG in terms of H2H ability - and fighting the best is more valuable than anything.
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Why do you keep comparing to Mayweather? What about Pacquiao, Barrera, Morales, Marquez, Arguello, Nelson, Fenech, Camacho, Chávez, Uchiyama?

    That's not even mentioning greats of that weight who never fought in that division.

    130 pounds has a very rich history of people who have fought there and dominating Sosa is not enough to place anyone at the top of that pile.
     
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  6. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I compare with Mayweather not out of hatred (honestly), but because he was the most recent 'great' I think people will be able to relate to here and make a more detailed reference to.
    I want to clarify myself, I don't for a second believe Loma is the greatest SFW of all time or anywhere close lol he needs more fights to take that achievement from Arguello, May and Pac - wins over Martinez, Walters and Sosa will not put him up there despite it being within 10 pro fights, BUT for me he certainly looks like the best of those you listed.
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    For me, greatness and best mean the same thing. I'm more bothered about a fighters skill set available on film than a record available on a website.

    Floyd has this rep as a killer SFW, for me he was just a young welter back then. His best wins, best performances and best achievements have come at 147 and above.

    But what i am saying to you is, i was more impressed with Pacquiao against Marquez at 130 then i was with Loma against Sosa at 130.

    You could argue Pacquiao performed better against Diaz (135) than Marquez (130) but is it better to dominate a lesser opponent or to competitively beat a better opponent? I go for the latter every single time.

    In theory Loma can never improve on his performances against Walter's and Sosa as he didn't put a foot wrong. If it's the aesthetics you're bothered about he's already peaked.

    But winning against Mikey Garcia 115-113 is definitely better than stomping on Sosa.

    Beating Corrales (Jezreel) 118-110 would be better than stomping on Sosa as Jezreel is a higher level of fighter and the consensus number 2 in the division.

    It isn't just about performance, it's about level of performance and that comes largely from the level of your opponent.
     
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  8. TLClives

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    You are very good at telling the future. Can you tell me some stocks to invest in?
     
  9. Kevin Willis

    Kevin Willis Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    LOOOL That Manfred guy actually said Loma is not an instinctive fighter and has no plan B because he cannot adjust on the fly. What a complete moron. He also saod a few years ago that Kovalev lacked one punch power and just relied on swarming and volume to get stoppages.
     
  10. Todd498

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    :deal::deal::deal:

    Did you cry a little bit last night witnessing that masterful performance by Loma?
     
  11. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Almost, it was a life altering performance.
     
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  12. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Hahahahahaha!!!!! :D

    I hear ya man! Lol
     
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  13. VG_Addict

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    How would Tevin Farmer do against Lomachenko?
     
  14. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I mean no offence but you couldn't be more wrong regarding Loma.
    Loma tends to be a slow starter precisely because he figures the fighter out right down to a T. We haven't even seen Loma in full swing because fighters are quitting the fight or are having the towel thrown in. Loma as Roy Jones stated, responds to whatever he sees and has no dominant strategy.
    He's the most cerebral of fighters.
     
  15. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Sorry @lufcrazy I quoted you by mistake there, I was planning to write a response to your post so..
    I don’t think they can mean the same thing but they do interlink in some ways. Floyd for example had only fought someone as good as a drained Corrales - nothing truly spectacular, and is considered arguably the greatest 130lber of all time.
    Pacquiao’s win over Marquez is the better victory without a doubt. It’s better and greater to win a very narrow decision against a great than beat a ‘good’ opponent convincingly. I agree there.
    But when people talk ‘performances’ they talk about how well someone was able to impose themselves and really put on a show. We saw that when Mayweather fought a weak version of Gatti - it looked like a ‘masterclass’ performance.