[GIF] Corbett slips and blocks a big 2 punch combo from Fitzsimmons (Stabalized)

Here's the thing. We got about 25 minutes of viewable film or Corbett. That's it. If we had his entire career, just imagine the highlights.

 

Not too many,20 fights and 232 pro rounds.What's his best win ? A washed up alcoholic Sullivan who was a month off of 34 years old and had not fought for over 4 and a half years.

 

I know what he is saying and why he is saying it.In 20 fights Corbett only had 11 wins.

 

That looping right hand isn't meant to landscape. It is deliberately wide to cover the shift, to set up the left hand.

 

If you use news reports, Corbett was 59-0-3 before losing to Bob Fitzsimmons. In a 12 round format, he might have never lost.

Bumping an older post of mine here:

Many of the records of the old timers are incomplete. This is especially true of fighters who fought in the 1800's.

Below is a list of three combined reported sources for Corbett's ring record. Based on the combined lists Corbett had 64 fights!

Take note, Corbett was 59-0-3 at one point before losing to Bob Fitzsimmons! Only a true boxing master could achieve such a record.

** the 59-0-3 record assumes the W vs Peter Jackson as listed is really a draw. Otherwise its 60-0-2** Be sure to read the key at the bottom of the page.

Many W's are really Ko wins for Corbett.


Appendix 1
FOR THE RECORD: The following is the complete list of bouts for James J. Corbett and Charles Mitchell according to the Ocala (Fla.) Evening Star of Feb. 2, 1894. Additional results from the Ring Record Book and Boxing's Top 100 haw been included on this list. In some cases dates, first names and other information is not available.

JAMES J. CORBETT:
San Francisco, Daw Eiseman, two rounds, W
San Francisco, Jim Hare, four rounds, W
San Francisco, Ed Siossen, three rounds, W
San Francisco, Jim McCarty, three rounds, W
San Francisco, Joe Chosinski, one round, W, (a)
San Francisco, Bob McCord, one round, W
San Francisco, Billy Welch, eight rounds, W
San Francisco, George Maxwell, two rounds, W
San Francisco, Tom Pollard, four rounds, W
San Francisco , John Dwyer, one round, W
San Francisco, Ed Rose, eight rounds, W
San Francisco, L.R. Fulda, four rounds, W
San Francisco, Jack Burke, eight rounds, draw, (8-27-88 )
San Francisco, Mike Brennan, eight rounds, W
San Francisco, Con Riordan, two rounds, W
San Francisco, Captain James H. Daley (also Daily), 4 rounds, W
San Francisco, Joe Choyinski, four rounds, W, (5-30-89) (a)
Salt Lake City, Frank Smith, sewn rounds, W
Salt Lake City, Duncan McDonald, eight rounds, W , (b)
San Francisco, Joe Choyinski, three rounds (some sources say four), W, (7-15-89) San Francisco, Martin Costello, four rounds, W
San Francisco, George Atkinson, three rounds, W
San Francisco, Prof. William Miller, six rounds, W
San Francisco, Larry SUlliwn, two rounds, W
San Francisco, Frank Glowr, four rounds, W, (6-30-88 (c)
San Francisco, John Donaldson, eight rounds, W
Portland, Ore., Daw Campbell, 10 rounds, W, (7-29-89) (d)
San Francisco, Joe Choyinski, 27 rounds, W, (6-5-89) (a)
New Orleans, Jake Kilrain, six rounds, W, (2-18-90)
Brooklyn, Dominic McCaffery, four rounds, W, (4-14-90)
San Francisco, Peter Jackson, 61 rounds, W, (5-2-91) (e)
Milwaukee, Ed Kinney, four rounds, W, (10-8-91)
Philadelphia, Matt Donovan, one round, W, (3-20-89) (f)
New Jersey, Peter Courtney, six rounds, W, (9-7-94)
Philadelphia, John McVey, three rounds, W, (1-4-95) (g)
Philadelphia, Bubbles Davis, three rounds, W
Philadelphia, Bob Caffrey, four rounds, W
Philadelphia, Sailor Brown, two rounds, W
Philadelphia, Jack Brady, three rounds, W
Philadelphia, Mike Moneghan, two rounds, W
Philadelphia, Joe Godfrey, three rounds, W


Philadelphia, Jack Haughey, one rounds, W
Philadelphia, Jack Langdon, two rounds, W
Philadelphia, Denny Kelleher, four rounds, W
Philadelphia, Joe Wilson, three rounds, W
Madison Square Garden, William Speflings, one round, W, (h) Madison Square Garden, Bob Goffey, one round, W
Madison Square Garden, Joe Lannon, th.-ee rounds, W, (i) Hartford, John McMahan, two rounds, W
Albany, Jack McDonald, one rounds, W
Columbus, Jim Hughes, two rounds, W
Butte, Mont. , Jack Grace, two rounds, W
San Francisco, Mike Olson, one round, W
Tucson, Mike Sullivan, two rounds, W
EI Paso , Jack Donnelly, two rounds, W
New Orleans, John L. Sullivan, 21 rounds, W, (9-7-92) Jacksonville, Charlie Mitchell, three rounds, W, (1-25-94)
New Orleans, John McVey, three rounds, W, (1-4-95)
San Francisco, Tom Sharkey, four rounds, draw (6-24-96) (j) Carson City, Nev., Bob Fitzsimmons, 14 rounds, L, (3-17-97)
New York, Tom Sharkey, 9 rounds, L (foul), (11-22-98
Coney Island, Jim Jeffries, 23 rounds, L, (5-11-1900)
New York, Kid McCoy, five rounds, W, (8-30-1900)
San Francisco, Jim Jeffries, 10 rounds, L, (8-14-03)





KEY CORBETT NOTES:
(a) the correct spelling is Joe ChoYnSki, first fight is also called a no decision by some sources; 5­30-89, stopped by police in the fourth round; 6-5-89, stopped ChOYnski in the 27th, and 7­15-89, won four-round bout according to 100 Greatest Boxers of All Time by Bert Sugar.
(b) also called a draw by some sources.
(c) also called a draw by some sources.
(d) called a draw after 10 rounds because Corbett failed to score a knockout as agreed.
(e) called a no contest by referee Hiram Cook, no punches were thrown in the 61st round, the fight took four hours and 10 minutes, also (and more reasonably) called a draw by some sources.
(f) also listed as Mike Donovan and called a sparring session or exhibition by some sources. (g) a site also listed as New Orleans, McVey listed as Jim and John by different sources.
(h) the result is similar to one reported for 2-16-92, a one-round victory o\ler one Bill Spilling in Rochester.
(i) also called a no decision by some sources
(j) also has 1-round KO victory over Ernest Roeber on 1-3-97, no site, listed as an exhibition.

 

Wouldn't we all I dare say that in the future it will be possible to CGI Dempsey v Louis etc, but by then I'll probably be in the ground.

 

I'll take the word of Corbett himself who told Tommy Loughran he only had 20 pro fights,those others you have listed are exhibitions. Roeber was a wrestler who was filmed grappling with Jeffries. There is no record of Peter Courtney ever having a professional bout.
The Jackson bout is officially a No Contest.No argument , no debate.

"Because the fight ended in a No Contest, each fighter was paid only $2,500 by the California Athletic Club. Both boxers angrily denounced the club and declared they would never again have anything to do with it, nor should anyone else in the boxing community.

From the Salem Daily News, May 22, 1891:"
You can inflate Corbett's record all you want , and we both know why you continually do so,the plain fact is these were not professional boxing bouts. End Of.

 

Well I guess you throw out events that happened with a news decision does not apply. I listed dates, opponents, and who was the better.

Had this been Jack Johnson, and some of his three round matches, I'm sure you'd be fine with it.

I get it. No need to reply further.

 

These names you have provided let's examine them more closely, so we can blow your spuriously inflated Corbett record out of the water for good and all. Con Riordan was a career sparring partner who died as a result of an exhibition bout with his employer Bob Fitzsimmons., he had been drinking heavily he never fought Corbett.
The following, with one or two exceptions have no traceable record as professional boxers.

Capt James Daley
Larry Sullivan
Ed Kinney
Daw Eisemann
Jim Hare
Bob McCord
Billy Welch
George Maxwell
Tom Pollard
John Dwyer
Ed Rose
L R Fulda
Mike Olson
Duncan McDonald ,he was a wrestling and boxing referee and had no pro fights.
George Atkinson
John McVey
Bubbles Davis
Bob Caffrey
Sailor Brown
Jack Boady
Mike Moneghan
Joe Godfrey
Jack Haughey
Jack Langdon
Denny Kelliher
Joe Wilson
William Seefling
Jim Hughes

Thats 28 men with no traceable professional records'
So zero resume for all those so far named.
Jack Burke was a middleweight, he never fought Corbett.
Frank Smith had 2 fights and died as a result of the second one, he never fought Corbett.
John Dwyer had 2 fights, neither were against Corbett.
Jack Grace was a lightweight, he never fought Corbett.
Jack Donnelly had 7 fights lost them all he was a lightweight and never fought Corbett.
William Miller was a Graeco Roman wrestler who boxed a series of no decisions with Larry Foley, Peter Jackson,Frank Slavin etc. He had 20 fights with only 3 ending in a result 1 win ,1 draw ,1 loss. Corbett did beat him.
Joe Lannon had 28 fights ,none of them were against Corbett.
Jack McDonald was a welterweight, he never fought Corbett.
Mike Brennan had 11 fights including matches with Jack MCauliffe,Bob Fitzsimmons,Joe Goddard, his record is1-8-2.He never fought Corbett.
Another 8 men these were pro fighters, but never fought Corbett.
That's 37 men that you named none of whom boxed Corbett in a professional match.
Add to them.
Ernst Rober who was a wrestler,and Peter Courtney, who has no pro record,that's 41 names that were provided by you, 31 of them were not even boxers, the others never fought Corbett and only 2 of them were even heavyweights.
Now please stop with the silly and blatant inflation of Corbett's record Klompton has already previously exposed you on this.

You convince no one, you just make yourself look ridiculous.

 

Well, most people here are smart enough to know that 90% or more of boxing fights in history have no record.

The further back you go, the fewer records there are. For example, Fitzsimmons himself claimed 300 fights! But you'll only see 80 at Box Rec.

I'm not here to educate you, that's nearly impossible when you become bigoted on the topic. In the past, I have show you point blank stuff in print or on video to correct you. You choose to ignore it. So please do ignore this post.

Others might find value in the research, data, and opponents mentioned.

 

To be fair here, your list of 29 men with no traceable professional records includes William Miller (who held the Australian Championship, beating an all time great and probably being an ATG himself. And Joe Godfrey who was considered the coloured champ for a while.

Some of these guys were a hell of a lot better than a 0-0-0 record would indicate nowadays. Not complete novices, though admittedly other than the two i mentioned, not really first raters either.

 

Oh no ,I wont ignore deliberate lies by you, not now and not ever.
Here's a public challenge for you.
Produce a record of any professional fights for those I mentioned.
You could not educate a turnip, you are a rabid r**ist and the most ridiculously biased poster here. Do you seriously expect us to swallow the idea that a world heavyweight champions fights
with nearly 50 men are not on record?

Corbett himself stated he only had 20 fights, was he lying?
In passing I would like to say it has once again been a real pleasure exposing and humiliating you.I look forward to the next opportunity,which I am sure will not be long in coming!
See you soon!

 

William Miller did fight Corbett he is the only one of those named by Mendoza who did , he was a famous wrestler. Joe Godfrey? You are thinking of George Godfrey, Old Chocolate of Chelsea are you not?
If you want me to accept that they were professional boxer then the onus is on you to produce the results of some of their fights,or do you believe
that the better part of 50 professional boxers left not one ,traceable , recorded fight behind them ?
They were exhibition bouts, just as Sullivan's and Fitz's were
If you cannot see the motive behind this palpable inflation of Corbett's record that you are not half as smart as I thought you were!

Wake up and smell the coffee B!