Duva: Request for 'Neutral' Judges for Ward-Kovalev Denied by Ward

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by radupidu, Apr 12, 2017.

  1. houmzz

    houmzz Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2012
    Messages:
    18,895
    Likes Received:
    2,505
    Katy Duva is a bad promoter.He made a mistake to agree to Ward demands in negotiations for the first fight, agreed to judges who would treat Ward like a hometown fighter, chose Nevada, the worst place to hold a fight for Kovalev who is the foreigner.
    Besides Ward acted like a champion and the PPV star in the negotiations for the first fight and Duva treated him like that. But if Ward would fight outside his hometown for the most part of his career he would have losses on his record.
    And now she is making the same bad choice with the judges, which will favour Ward once again.Duva just can't defend her fighter, she is useless.Promoters like Frank Warren, K2, Top Rank and GB protect their and their fighters interests way better than Duva.
    Why Roc Nation paid so much money to Ward is beyond me, they suffered great financial losses with this crappy decision and will do so in the future, Ward will never be a PPV attraction, he is extremely boring to watch.
    In his whole career, only one of his fights was watchable and not because of him but because of Froch.
    If Ward doesn't retire he will loose sooner or later, I think he will loose as a cruiserweight or a heavyweight if he really moves up to those weights like he said he would.
    He will never win against Joshua, he just doesn't have a power and he is too shot to do it.To sit out those years was the worst decision ever, he looks old in there.
    Joshua would walk trough him but diva like him not gonna choose strong champion but a weakest link, he himself said he wouldn't fight Joshua but some weaker champion.
    He acts like a diva but still will end up broke.
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2017
  2. qwertyblahblah

    qwertyblahblah Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2013
    Messages:
    4,985
    Likes Received:
    2,063
    She made the fight after negotiations that already took too long, and got Kovalev paid an amount she and Kovalev are happy with but had to make other concessions. She did fine. No Ward isn't a star attraction, but neither is Kovalev (he's significantly less known and loved in the US than GGG), so team Kovalev isn't in a position to make demands to Ward.
     
  3. houmzz

    houmzz Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2012
    Messages:
    18,895
    Likes Received:
    2,505
    They both aren't but at least Kovalev doesn't act like a diva.I don't know about others but I couldn't watch the first fight, Ward just ran from Kovalev and used wrestling tactics.He will never be a fan favourite.He is useless as a boxer.
     
    Sephiroth Rising 7 likes this.
  4. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2011
    Messages:
    9,817
    Likes Received:
    19,075
    Yep! No doubt man. Check out this video too. I really hope this judges situation gets worked out.

    This content is protected
     
  5. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2014
    Messages:
    16,188
    Likes Received:
    13,231
    Urghhhh I don't really know where I stand with this

    Yep, the commission should choose who they fight and have no influence from the fighter's

    But I've never been a fan of the home fighter having 3 judges of the same nationality. I can't remember who has been selected for the rematch so apologies if they aren't all US but I'm speaking in a more general sense. And even more so when you consider the controversy surrounding the previous fight and current geopolitics being how they are
     
    Robney likes this.
  6. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2008
    Messages:
    45,386
    Likes Received:
    3,797
    Why would any fighter be afraid of neutral judges? This is very concerning to me.
     
  7. Liquid Fire

    Liquid Fire Well-Known Member banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2016
    Messages:
    2,246
    Likes Received:
    1,160
    Refuse to fight him then. Don't leave it in the hands of US judges again.. Neutral judges or no fight.
     
    Todd498 likes this.
  8. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2016
    Messages:
    11,404
    Likes Received:
    14,596
    Yes, assigning neutral judges won't end bias at all, but it's a simple step in the right direction that may eliminate some of the bias. IMHO it should be a standard for all world title fights, most other disciplines with judges usually try to get an international panel too.

    I'm a New Zealander, and I wouldn't feel comfortable judging a Joseph Parker fight, I just care too much about the result and it would be difficult to score it objectively.
     
  9. radupidu

    radupidu Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2010
    Messages:
    3,450
    Likes Received:
    2,457
    Man, how can Kovalev refuse to fight him and leave his belts like that. People that say that Duva shouldn't have signed the agreement for the second time without neutral judges are crazy. Maybe thats what Team Ward wanted. And consider what Kova is saying since that fight in Novemver, that he will stop Ward this time. So he doesnt want to leave it to the judges again. He doesnt care about judges. But he should, cuz Ward is extremely difficult to KO.

    And people that say "Oh, Duva will choose who the judges will be, thats not good, promoters should have no say in who the judges are" ....make me laugh, cuz Duva has no say in who the judges are, she can simply request that the commission chooses judges from different countries than the countries of origin of both fighters. Fair enough.

    And Wards fans that do not want neutral judges for the rematch are pitifull. That much you want your boy to win this fight that you dont even care if he wins by robbery again ?!?

    The request for neutral judges happens all the time for controversial rematches, and Its usually accepted.
     
    Robney, Rock0052 and KiwiMan like this.
  10. qwertyblahblah

    qwertyblahblah Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2013
    Messages:
    4,985
    Likes Received:
    2,063
    I think the NSAC believes Nevada judges are great and will want to give them a vote of competence, but is also aware enough of the controversy of the first fight and suggestion of partiality that three American judges will give. I predict they'll use one Nevada judge and two neutral judges (maybe two Nevada judges and one neutral).
     
  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2009
    Messages:
    39,977
    Likes Received:
    3,108
    Can you give any further details or links?
     
  12. Liquid Fire

    Liquid Fire Well-Known Member banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2016
    Messages:
    2,246
    Likes Received:
    1,160
    Who's it up to?
     
  13. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2009
    Messages:
    39,977
    Likes Received:
    3,108
    Im surprised that both teams didnt want neutral judges to remove any contraversy
     
    Rock0052 and radupidu like this.
  14. Liquid Fire

    Liquid Fire Well-Known Member banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2016
    Messages:
    2,246
    Likes Received:
    1,160
    Why would a fighter NOT want neutral judges?
     
    Todd498 likes this.
  15. radupidu

    radupidu Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2010
    Messages:
    3,450
    Likes Received:
    2,457
    The commission choses the judges either way. If they get a request to get judges from neutral contries and the other promoter is on board they will do it. At lesst thats how it is in England. Duva has no say in who the judges will be. Obviously