Duva: Request for 'Neutral' Judges for Ward-Kovalev Denied by Ward

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  1. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    My God there's some gullible people here. If Duva said "Alex doesn't want to ban guns", haters on the forum would say I support murderers and gun violence. This is essentially what the haters are doing.
     
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  2. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    How is this fight stacked in Ward's favor? He moved up and Kovalev has fought in Vegas more than Ward lol
     
  3. "TKO"

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    As regards weight, nobody moved anywhere. Both are light heavyweights. Ward had been a light heavyweight for 18 months after and was having his fourth bout at the weight, whilst Kovalev has always been one. It's a world away from a situation where a guy is trying to make a fighter who is comfortable at a lower weight come straight up to his weight to fight him.

    Where Kovalev has fought is irrelevant, he is a Russian (hardly the flavour of the month in the States at the moment in any event) fighting a US American on US soil and the American seems to be going out of his way to try and engineer four US officials again. Put it this way, if Ward went and fought his next bout on a Roy Jones jr card in Moscow, that would mean that he had fought in Moscow more than Kovalev. Would you therefore agree that it would be fair to have the Ward-Kovalev rematch in Moscow with three Russian judges and Vladimir Putin as referee? I doubt it.
     
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  4. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    1. Weight: just to be clear, I wasn't implying Ward is disadvantaged. We agree, this is fair. Both men are light heavyweights.

    2. Russian in America: somewhat agree, politics can bleed into boxing. It's worth noting, but there are still people who legitimately feel Ward won. US vs Russia is a promotional tool, nothing more. It gets fans talking.

    3. Moscow example: your example is a little extreme. This wasn't Kovalev's second US fight, and Trump wasn't the ref lol. In your example, that is not fair. But if Ward moved himself and his family to Moscow, has been fighting there for years now, and marketed as a top fighter, then no, I wouldn't call it unfair. But I could totally understand why someone would.
     
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  5. Angler Andrew

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    Yeah good call Rummy,totally agree Ward sucked Kovalev into his dirty grappling game which regardless of how we seen the result it did change the fight for Ward and made it more comfortable as appose to when SK was boxing him so well with the jab etc.
     
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  6. "TKO"

    "TKO" Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ha ha I know it was extreme, just my bit of UK bank holiday fun.
     
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  7. Todd498

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    Nah. He's going to concentrate on his endurance this camp while not overtraining. Watch..
     
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  8. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Absolutely. That and his face.
     
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  9. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    It is isn't it?! And it's hilarious how certain idiots on here are going "The excuses have started already!!" but if it was their boy being denied neutral judges... we would have already seen 20 threads on it by now.
     
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  10. andrewa1

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    A great way to spin it, but come on. It's a reasonable request, and there is no practical reason to fight it other than trying to gain an unfair advantage.

    Having a "moral" stance on this is like saying it's " immoral" to clinch excessively, like Ward does. So it's clearly raw gamesmanship by Wards team, and has nothing to do with principle or boxing purity, as you suggest.
     
  11. FuMaster

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    American judges are biased as hell!!! The most recent travesty was when they gave the fight to all-American GGG. I felt bad for the Russian Jacobs, aka Daniev Jacobsky. He can beat cancer but not American judges.
     
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  12. alexthegreatmc

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    I wasn't suggesting it's purity or principle, Ward probably does feel he'll get favorable judges. Ward isn't "fighting" it or seeking an advantage. He just said no, leave it.

    I've said also, in a different post, that yes, it's a reasonable request. It's also not unreasonable to decline it.

    What if Kovalev said "I want a ref that doesn't tolerate dirty fighting, let's eliminate these names." Is Ward seeking an advantage if he says "no, let the commission pick the ref."?

    Eliminating judges of certain nationality is COMPARABLE to requesting a fighter can't wear a specific brand of gloves because they feel it gives them an unfair advantage.

    So like I said, it's a perfectly reasonable request by Kovalev. And nothing suggests Ward is stacking the deck by declining.
     
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  13. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    No doubt. Its shocking how bias fans on here are. Thats why I say its better to stick to facts and not emotions. You know when you stick to facts and they get emotional who the real fanboys are
     
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  14. andrewa1

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    Fair enough. Each side tries to get their own advantage, and I'm cool with that. I just read your initial comment to suggest ward was in the right and Kovalev in the wrong for that.
     
  15. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Understood. I wasn't trying to suggest that.