Wlad Klit vs Max Baer.

Take a look at Max "hammering" Braddock and come say that with a straight face.

 

Yes I do.

One thing that Baer was very good at, was countering off a jab.

Arguments based on footage have to be based on a fighter with some stylistic similarity.

 

Baer broke both his hands in the Braddock fight.

 

Yes i did. It was Baer Douglas fight. He hardly trained and clowned the fight away .
I am talking about Max at his best.

 

Fair enough.

Who did Baer beat with the same size* and style as Wlad?

*And before you rush off to say Carnera because he weighed 260lb, consider whether you would accept my providing evidence of Wlad being able to beat a 205lb guy as relevant of him beating Baer

 

What would you recommend, then? Louis showed what a guy with combination punching and a modern style would do to Baer -ie - a massacre. Schmeling looked fairly impressive vs Baer despite being outweighed and fighting the wrong fight. Nothing I've seen so far impresses me.

 

Imperfect though the analogy is, Carnera is basically what we are left with, when assessing how Baer would cope with Wlad's size and style.

If you think that any of Wlad's 6' 2''ish victims had a style similar to Baer, then that would be relevant to the argument.

No the Carnera fight does not mean that Baer would beat Wlad, and indeed I voted for Wlad, but it does mean that Baer coped with this type of fighter better than most.

 

Fighters with modern combination punching and style were ten a penny back then.

If you want to know the truth, there were probably more technicians in the division then than there are now.

 

Fixed it for ya.

Carnera isn't even in the same continent as Wlad skillswise.

Baer could hit, I agree. But power is only one aspect of being a boxer.

His punches are slow and can be seen coming a mile away. It's very clear to me that Baer was successful primarily because he had a considerable physical advantage over his contemporaries.

Klitschko has dealt with these crude clubber types over ad over again. He either ties them up inside - and I'm not buying the '205 lb guy outmuscles Wlad where 240lb guys couldn't' for a second - or he uses his superior footwork to create space and leave them flailing at air. Then it's back to getting jabbed a dozen times in the face.

I think Ray Mercer would give Baer all he could handle and then some.

 

I guess we disagree then.

 

You see here I am going to have to disagree.

Carnera was pretty good from a technical standpoint.

In the second Sharkey figth, he used his size as well as any superheavyweigth I have ever seen.

He controlled the range very well, and was actually much better on the inside than Wlad.

The main advantage that I see Wlad bringing to the table is that he hit much harder than Carnera.

 

Jose Santa 6' 7.5" 244lbs, tall guys did not do well with Baer , of the giants he fought only Arthur Dekuh lasted the distance with him.

 

Again - it comes down to an offensive fighter (this time, quite unorthodox and unrestrained, as opposed to a Louis-style attack), who would throw all he's got at Wlad.

Baer wouldn't be hypnotized by Wlad's left glove (a la Chambers) or want to play the 'touchy-feely-left-glove' game (a la Ibragimov) or be glued to the canvas (a la Old Man Rahman) or look like he was still waking up, after an after-dinner nap (a la Mormeck).

Baer's got a chance, here.

 

Wlad doesn't have a clue about fighting inside, and he was dropped 3 times by crude clubber Sam Peter. Baer fought lots of guys bigger than himself.
Jose Santa 6'.7. 5" was 40 pounds heavier.
Tiny Abbot was 6'8"
Hank Hankinson 6'4"
Pat Comiskey was 6'3"
Ed Murphy was 6'5"
Primo Carnera 6'5. 75"

 

Exum Speight, James Pritchard and Mark Young say little guys weighing less than 210lb were toast against Wladimir.