Wlad Klit vs Max Baer.

Oh, OK, that makes more sense.

My counterpoint to that is that Baer, whatever his stylistic shortcomings, was very well conditioned and freakishly strong for his size. It could well be that he was still stronger than the lanky specimens you listed. I'm not familiar with those guys. A big, unskilled guy is more embarrassing than impressive in the ring.

 

LOL, Wlad would hang himself if he saw these poll results

 

Here's something interesting on an old Max Baer thread on this site:

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/how-good-was-max-baer.245357/#post-7483114

I pretty much agree with Mr Bill on this post^

 

Wlad would do him dirty. Max has no defense, and little sense of a jab. It would be target practice.

Wlad TKO/KO inside 6 rounds.

 

Enough already!
What are you even talking about.
What drugs are you on that make Baer look underwhelming against Primo?
Can a boxer fight a more beautiful fight than that?

Did you see his balance that fight?
His jab?
His power punches?
His ferociousness?
His awesome footwork, use of angles, countering and closing the distance. Then mind games?

Sam Peter shrugged off Wlads 1-2s, but MAX BAER is going to be in trouble?? Baer is one of the best of all time at beating bigger fighters using his power, jab, footwork, and ring IQ.

Wlads power won't bother Max.
His jab is not that much stronger than Primos. Just compare the impact of their punches.

Sure it'll bother Max if he fights like Briggs did Vitali, staying st the end of Wlads jab the whole fight. But that's obviously not how Baer would fight Klitschko. He fights from the outside, slipping and countering while rushing in and closing the distance.

We don't have 80 fights where Primo wins. He scored 70 KOs. Do we even have 4 on film? People might respect him more if we had 70 KOs in film.

Max would wobble Klitschko by round 2. And by then it'll just be another giant trying to run away from him.

 

Primo Carnera != Wladimir Klitschko.

Not in a hundred years.

 

Not but it's closer than you think. Imo

 

Imagine following Carnera career from early on. And seeing all his fights and all his KOs. It would make a big impression versus mostly seeing him a victim against Baer and Louis.

 

That's a fair point and certainly possible.

Because he didn't look too good in those.

I get that Baer had a huge whallop; I'm not disputing it. I also get that he had a good chin.

But what I see is a guy throwing huge telegraphed shots that Wlad specializes in avoiding. Everytime Wlad is matched against a puncher it's the same old story "Oh, his chin will never hold up vs X". People don't notice just how good his defence is; Wlad probably gets tagged with less than five serious shots of consequence in most of his fights, whereas his opponents ship career-ending damage.

Louis beating Wlad?

Hell yeah, I can see that.

Baer?

Not so much.

 

Bears performance looks much better in the HD version of the fight.

And he's more than a whallop. The guy knew how to box. His ring IQ and footwork are top notch. The things modern fighters get credit for, Max had in spades.

Baer almost always landed big shots on Primo countering off a slip. And usually right over the jab. So I don't think telegraphing will be an issue for Baer.

If Wlad were to win this, Max would have to come in without the ferocity.

 

Similarly...

Sam Peter ≱ Max Baer


Not in this or any other dimension.

 

I don't want to argue with you; we'll just have to disagree. I'll watch the Carnera fight again; I have a "highlights version" on HDD. Maybe a longer version would do him justice.

Baer looked like a class act in general, and I also don't want to dump on his achievements.

Bowing out here, gracefully.

 

Word. Yeah and part of it is that I'm speaking from hindsight having seen the fight in really good quality. If you have the highlights in HD, check them out. Also all the Carnera clips in my Baer video are HD. Although it's a small sample.
Either way, good thread, and good discussion.

 

I take WK here, Baer is more open than a Barn door and stiffer than a long Island Ice tea.

I am not sold on his chin either, there is one thing to take shots from sub par opposition, soup kitchen skinnies or Circus brawlers like Primo where you can see the shots coming from a mile away .

The undeniable fact is that the only sharp/accurate heavy handed puncher he ever met in Joe Louis he folded his tent alarmingly quickly.

On a side note Michael Gerard Tyson or George Foreman would KO Baer in anti climatic un competitive fashion and I would not be surprised if Tyson gets him out in less than two.

 

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