Wlad Klit vs Max Baer.

Wlad all day.

 

That's just one pixel to a complete picture.
Wlad lost a title, so he was more than performing.
Did Max Baer give up 24lb and 2" to Braddock?
Did Wlad break his hands in the Purrity fight?

 

wlads prime was like most hws, late 20s to early 30s. max's would be about the same but a bit earlier due to poorer longevity in general those days.

roughly between getting wiped out in seconds by a failed retiree and getting koed by a journeyman, and getting saved by the ref by davarryl williamson.

the reason he appeared to do well later was that he was fighting inferior opposition to them, and developed a uniformly stay safe approach meaning even these wasters wouldnt catch him out.

 

Baer has a puncher's chance, but looking at the vote I see two picked Baer by decision. Wow.

I think the chance of Wlad via DQ is higher than Baer by decision.

 

Primes are defined by performance not some numbers drawn out of a hat. Wlad went 11 busy years undefeated. His results improved and then maintained at a high level against a high level of competition. This wasn't by accident.

He didn't "appear" to do well. He put together a great string of victories against top competition. Peter, Byrd, Brock, Brewster, Ibragimove, Thompson, Chagaev, Chambers, Peter, Haye, Thompson, Povetkin, Pulve is not "appearing to do well". It is establishing and maintaining dominance over the division for a long time.

 

it wasnt a high level of competition at all, dont lie, it ruins your argument entirely.

physical primes. wlad was capable of being his best during those years.
after that, his absolute best was something a fair bit less.

As I've said he fought more defensively later, which made him able to deal with fallout from lucky punch nobodies.

peter is a 6 round fighter
byrd is a LHW
brock is noone
brewster was a one eyed journeyman
iggy was a good win
thompson was old as shyte and did nothing when prime
chaggy was a fair win
chambers is shyt
haye was one of the weakest hw titlists ever
povetkin was not bad
pulv was terrible

i count two to three fair to good wins for the 11 years. christ on a bike, thats ONE and a bit years of title fights for anyone else.

you mentioned some twice to artificially extend the run or perhaps because he foughtone of them twice, dunno but its shame because those two you did mention twice as "top competition" havent carried any weight and instead "averagise" your argument.

 

Wladimir stops him. Too much strength, skill, power and speed.

 

To quote yourself " Wlads prime was like most hws, late 20s to early 30s. max's " - HerolGee in this thread

Well, he won quite a few of these matches past his prime according to you as he was past his early 30's ( 34 for the Peter match, 35 for Haye, and 37 for Povetkin! ) So that must have impressed you somewhat as Holmes was losing to Mike Spinks at age 35, and Ali was just a shell of his former self at age 35.

If he beats Joshua at age 41, with 1.5 years out of the ring, what will you say HerolGee?

 

a) Joshua's an overrated bum
b) Wlad got lucky
c) Wlad cheated
d) Wlad's on roids
e) Joshua gave him a chance

... take your pick

 

Max Baer's Grand List of Title Defenses: Carnera.

Your estimations of Wlad's opponents really don't amount to anything but schoolyard namecalling. By the way, are we going to reduce Ali's victory over the one-eyed Frazier? Apparently the one-eyed, diabetes suffering version was the only version he could beat, right?

All were top rated if my memory serves. Do you want to compare them to, say, Dempsey's opponents? So Firpo was great but Peter was a sad excuse for a boxer? How do you think lil' Tommy Gibbons would fare against Pulev? How long would George Carpentier last with any of these guys? Sodden, bar-owner Bill Brennan going to last long with Povetkin?

All I'm asking of the trads on this board is to apply your analysis and judgement evenly.

 

If I believed that a pro from that era would have much of a chance against a modern ATG SHW like Wlad, Baer would be one of my top picks for an upset. He's got the power and unpredictability.

Annoying to see the double standard on here, though. If a reverse selection like Ali vs Chris Byrd was made, with an ATG old timer against a near but not quite ATG modern fighter, it would be about over 70/30 Ali and most people would be saying it's disrespectful to even contemplate the matchup.

 

I won't take Wlad over Joe Louis as indicated in that other thread that elicited so much drama...but Wlad beats Baer imo...Baer never ran into a larger fighter that was as skilled as a prime Wlad, and say what you want about Baer's power and ferocity when he was 'on'...Wlad demonstrated much better overall consistency...and consistency wins fights. Not much question here...for me anyway. Wlad by (respectful) decision.

 

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Baer is going through a bit of a hyped up phase on here.
He was pretty limited stood upright, was easy to hit, but had a good chin, and a sledgehammer right hand.
Wlad would simply take no chances, fight ultra cautious and eke out a boring UD.

 

You have to give Wlad props for challenging Joshua,I give Joshua a slight edge due to Wlad's age and inactivity , but I would not be surprised if Wlad wins. It's about a 60/40 fight as far as I am concerned.
Joshua hasn't really been tested yet and Wlad has tons of experience.Fury was all wrong for Wlad his mobility left him struggling to find the target and hesitant to let his hands go, Joshua will be there in front of him it could be a case of who lands something big early.