Pacquiao was supposed to fail at any weight higher than 126 pounds

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    126 pounds was thought to be his upper limit and Pac carried championship caliber fighting all the way to 150 pounds.

    Look at Pac against other 122 pounders and he's big and solid for that weight.

    http://l450v.alamy.com/450v/gyx1dt/...ion-of-kiwabe-philippines-connects-gyx1dt.jpg

    Same at 126 pounds except he's already giving up a little size as you can see.

    http://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/photo/2011/0503/box_a_marquez_pacquiao1_576.jpg

    Once Pac gets to 130 pounds he's already at a clear size disadvantage having to fight bigger men. It's at 130 pounds that he no longer has the ease of just toppling over his opponents like nothing as he was doing at 122 and 126. He becomes more of a volume puncher instead of a 1 punch can turn it around in a second type fighter.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ieBEF5yuogg/hqdefault.jpg

    Then look at 135 look at how Diaz is Massive compared to Pacquiao.

    https://static.squarespace.com/stat...0858954297/1000w/110911-diaz-pacquiao-580.jpg

    All the way at 145 and Cotto is just ridiculously bigger than Pac.

    http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Manny+Pacquiao+v+Miguel+Cotto+liGn0gmpUvQl.jpg

    Last we see Pac at 150 looking like a 12 year old against Margarito.

    http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Manny+Pacquiao+v+Antonio+Margarito+Hk1G1DrX5n2l.jpg

    Incredible stuff from a guy who was already getting outmuscled at 130 pounds.
     
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  2. JoffJoff

    JoffJoff Regular Junkie Full Member

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    Exceptional. Pacquiao is the greatest fighter of this millennium so far. Mayweather was a superior boxer and would have been a favourite against him at any point during their career but even his accomplishments pale in comparison to the miracles Manny made happen.
     
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  3. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    The 8 division titles is savage. Man there are only 17 weight classes. Pacquiao traversed 11 weight classes out of the 17.
     
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  4. drenlou

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    The thing which helped Pacquaio as he rose the higher weight classes was his speed and ferocity which at times were just too much for any of his opponents who were not able to counter him effectively. The only thing that kind oof looked suspicious was how he was able to maintain that power in his hands that were wrecking fighters all the way upto 150 like the huge Margacheato who's eye looks terrible even to this day.
     
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  5. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    His speed, angles and stamina became his main weapons as he rose in weight. His power started declining as soon as he went to 130 pounds. He still hit hard at the higher weights, but at the higher weights he was accumulation fighter. In the lower weights he was a 1 punch banger. 122-126 Pac could take over a fight with just 1 left hand. At 130+ he needed more than just the left.
     
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  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I used to consider Pac a natural WW, upon reflection I've decided he was better as a FW fighter.

    There he had the speed and reflex advantage but also a power advantage.

    Floyd was better at WW than the lower weights though, i firmly believe that.

    Two great fighters.
     
  7. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Good post. I've thought about this as well, as to where Pacquiao was best. I firmly believe that Pacquiao is best at 122-130 pounds. With 126 being his best weight class H2H. First, can Pacquiao beat any ATG WW in their prime at the Welterweight limit? I doubt it. Second, he's already beaten Barrera at 126 in a one sided fight. He drew with Marquez at 126. And then beat Marquez at 130. He lost to 7-5 Morales at 130 pounds. And then knocked him out twice. Against great Welterweights like Pryor, Leonard, Hearns, Robinson, Napoles, Trinidad, DLH, etc. I give Pacquiao virtually no chance at beating any prime versions of those fighters. And at Featherweight he stands a chance to beat anybody at that weight in history. Doesn't mean he would automatically be the favorite, but you can't rule him out against anybody at that weight.

    Also, Pacquiao did become a better fighter technically at the higher weights which is why some people think Pacquiao was best at 140-147. He wasn't a finished product technically until around 2008-2009. But this argument makes the assumption that Pacquiao become a master technician, which he never did. He was always a brawler, pressure, puncher fighter.

    To me Pacquiao's best weight was 126 pounds. At that weight he had trained with Roach for a couple years, but was still fighting men who couldn't outmuscle him. If you look at Solis you see Pacquiao begin to already start coping with being outsized at 130 pounds. You see Pacquiao jabbing a lot, you see him not just going beserk and trying to overwhelm him from the start. Then you see Pacquiao at 122 pounds where he was big and strong against Ledwaba. And Pacquiao just blitzes him with sheer power. And Ledwaba is probably a better fighter than Solis was.

    The weird thing though was Pacquiao's performance against Ricky Hatton at 140. That was the one fight he had north of 126 (besides the 3rd Morales fight too, but at that point Morales was pretty far gone) where he looked like the old Pacquiao. As his power just overwhelmed the opponent.
     
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  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Yeah this is how i see it.
     
  9. Madmink

    Madmink Well-Known Member Full Member

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    True,plus the fact people forget to recognise pac is naturally at least 2 weight classes lower,conceded every demand to floyd plus wouldnt fight him in his prime.
    People prefer to follow the smoke and mirrors which isnt a term that should be used because there was no smoke or mirrors just blatant avoidance of his only real challenge.
     
  10. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm fine with people saying that Mayweather won the fight. I'm even fine with people saying that Mayweather H2H is better than Pacquiao, even prime versions. But when fans just completely ignore that Pacquiao is a Featherweight (and act like that's irrelevant) that irritates me.
     
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  11. Madmink

    Madmink Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Its just annoying that people will slate him when he couldnt have been more entertaining or courageous if he tried.
    I went vegas supporting hatton vs floyd,the ref was a joke but would i use it as an excuse that it would be any different ? No,floyd was mugging him when it went on the inside anyway.
    The annoying part about floyd is that he refused to take any form of challenge he thought he could lose.
    He was a master boxer,love him or hate him he was,why say otherwise,but fighters have their bogeymen,prime pac was floyds.
    He used drugs as an excuse when pac has never failed a test in his life,then gets caught himself using iv for what other reason than to flush his system ?
    And why for that matter wasnt he pulled on it ?
    He never fought 1 fight in his career when u sat back and thought hes gonna lose here.
    I backed against pac vs ledwaba barerra morales marquez dlh hatton cotto margarito at least,he had no right to win most but did so in amazing fashion.how can you pick any holes in it.
    Hes not ko'd anyone in years so hes lost it ???
    Who has ever stood and traded with him 2 divisions at least above his natural weight and ancient in terms of the style of fighter he is and the wars hes been thru.
    Its not even close in terms of greatness.
    Greatness is defined by overcoming the odds time and again when your up against it.
    Floyd is too small for ggg,why wasnt pac too small for floyd ??
    Anyway rant over
     
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  12. Madmink

    Madmink Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think pac became a complete fighter after morales 1.he was just reliant on the left and was more dimensional.how he obliterated hatton cotto dlh and margo was jaw dropping considdering
     
  13. Tyson88

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    Pacquiao was on PED's pretty much his entire career which accounts for any noteworthy "accomplishments." Against mayweather he wasn't allowed to cheat and, as one would expect, he failed miserably...if he hadn't been cheating all those years, he wouldn't have had any success above 130.

    In other words, pacs' entire career was a fraud.
     
  14. alakran

    alakran Boxing Addict Full Member

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    you say he never fought a challenge but people argue he lost the first Castillo fight and instead of moving on he gave him the rematch. Same thing with Maidana people argue he lost and gave the rematch thats taking a challenge. Alsovif you're gonna say Pac is a natural 126 pounder then floyd is a 135 pounder.Cant pick and choose what fits your fighter. That said Im glad I got to see both because as we can already tell not many can dominate like they did and draw attentiom to the sport
     
  15. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    It does not. Manny's greatest success came from being a Floyd boogeyman.