Joe Jeannette V Jack Dempsey,Joe Louis,Jack Johnson?

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    You have seen the same amount of footage pn Jeannette as Klompton has, minus perhaps some non boxing footage with Jeannette in it.
     
  2. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The krapper is a fraud but what gets me is his childish attitude, "na na I have it and you dont, na na". I could watch YT and see all I want and I dont have to kiss krappers bu tt tocks. I mean he's a grown a ss man and acting like a child it's amazing. "ha ha I have it you dont!", gimme a break!
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Do us all a favour and take you crusade somewhere else I was civil to you but as usual you started in snidy little comments such as ,"you and your partner"," the games you and the prof play" " he was underrated by pysstorians 90 yrs later such as yourself and your partner".
    This response in answer to my politely pointing out that Johnson beat all the common opponents that he and Jeannette shared whereas Jeannette lost to many of them,is really fatuous because you are making a case against yourself! The point being Jeannette lost to also rans and journeymen that Johnson easily mastered!
    Jeannette was not a novice when he lost to Jack Thompson was he?
    He had 67 fights under his belt!
    Thompson was engaging in his first one!
    No, the men Jeannette was losing to were not part of the big 4 they were often nobodies!
    Jeannette had 22 fights under his belt when he his last losing fight with Johnson, he was no novice.
    What was Jeannette doing losing to Sandy Ferguson? Ferguson could never make any impression on Johnson in multiple fights and resorted to fouling him.
    Here is the report of the first Jim Johnson v Joe Jeannette fight which Jeannette lost.

    This content is protected


    Jeannette was no novice then was he? He had had 86 fights! Jim Johnson's record at the time was 11-5-2!

    "All of this says what? O, I know it builds your case but no matter what you say, to the people at that time, Jennette, was part of the the big four and that should say it all. Psst, none of the guys you mentioned were part of the big four or reached their stature"


    No they weren't, so what was Jeannette doing losing to them?


    After twice asking you to answer the thread and make your picks in the fights I proposed you once again ducked it and just said vaguely," he would be a handful for any of them."
    Now be a man and make your individual picks .Does Joe Jeannette beat :
    Joe Louis
    Jack Johnson
    Jack Dempsey

    YES or NO!
    That's all that is required!
     
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  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    QUOTE="dempsey1234, post: 18519350, member: 92940"]The krapper is a fraud but what gets me is his childish attitude, "na na I have it and you dont, na na". I could watch YT and see all I want and I dont have to kiss krappers bu tt tocks. I mean he's a grown a ss man and acting like a child it's amazing. "ha ha I have it you dont!", gimme a break![/QUOTE]
    You don't think its childish resorting to calling a poster who has been polite to you names just because you have no answer to the facts he has presented? You're like a kid who has been outclassed in a friendly kick -around and now, after an attack of the sulks says," I'm taking my ball and I'm going home."
     
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  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    22QUOTE="dempsey1234, post: 18516080, member: 92940"]You mean pysstorians like your "esteemed self", his contemporaries thought otherwise such as the most boring HW champion ever Jack"clutch n grab" Johnson. A prime Jennette from what I have read would have been a handful for all of them. Many alts returns and addresses the question, 2x's lol[/QUOTE]
    Do you have any modern [postWW2 ,] lists that feature Jeannette in a Heavyweight All Time Top Ten ? I ask because Johnson ,Louis,and Dempsey are routinely included in them, but I've never seen Jeannette's name in one! The very latest one, in this month's Ring,has the following:
    1.Ali
    2.Louis.
    3.Johnson
    6.Dempsey
     
  6. klompton2

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    Aaaah, once again pretending to know whats in my collection. Please, illuminate us. What exactly do I have in my collection on Jeanette?
     
  7. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    And again, this fraud is the only reason you got to see your hero in action. So everytime you call me a fraud we both know you are puckering up and kissing my ass. When you contribute anything to the history of the sport beyond loaning a scrapbook to a guy who wrote a piece of **** fictionalized account Jeanettes life then get back to me. Until then you didnt even write a piece of **** fictionalized account of Jeanettes life, you just contributed a few biased articles to it.:clap2:
     
  8. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    First off there are no rules that limit your answers to a yes or no, if my answer is vauge that's cos I dont play fantasy boxing. My opinion, your opinion, anybody opinion, is just that an opinion. It's like saying who would win tween King Kong and Godzilla, it dont mean a thing. I did give you my opinion apparently it upsets you.

    My position on this "crusade", is that Jennette was not overrated, he deserved respect he wasnt an also ran, he earned his place in the big four. You and your friend always looking for negatives. I posted what his contemporaries said about him, you on the other post who he lost to and how he lost to clutch n grab, but fail to say he was an inexperienced fighter, which is relevant. You and your partner on the other hand look to pyss on everybody's parade.

    A perfect example is your post dealing with some offer for a fight between clutch n grab and Jennette in NY that the boxing commission vetoed. Was that a surprise to you??? All the big four done very well overseas, if the fight could have been done Europe would have been the place.

    You are free to post all the articles and quotes you want. But when you do expect a response as I expect a response.

    Fact is Jennette was highly thought of by his contemporaries and earned his spot on the big four. Along come pysstorians 90 yrs later and pyssing on Jennette's grave and claim he is overrated by historians who have never seen him in person. When even C&G himself is clearly saying that Jennette belonged.
    Please explain if Jennette was such a bum, how he slipped into the big four? "O but he lost to Thompson, lol. File that under "SO WHAT".

    Old clutch n grab, himself said the following:

    Jennette is a tough fighting proposition. I’m not afraid to face him in a ring, but I would much rather fight Sam Langford or Sam McVey-JJ

    Jennette is the toughest man I ever fought and the hardest to hurt. Why the more I hit that man the stronger he got. No wonder he beat Sam McVey in a finish fight-JJ

    ****Remember this was an inexperienced Jennette C&G is talking about

    Joe Jennette was the toughest man I ever saw and Sam Langford was the most dangerous-JJ

    How is this possible that Johnson himself said these things when you 90yrs later point out Jennette lost to Thompson in his PD, as if that justifies your position.

    Give the man his due, he earned it the hard way, by actually fighting some of the toughest guys at that time.
     
  9. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    mcvey,
    You don't think its childish resorting to calling a poster who has been polite to you names just because you have no answer to the facts he has presented?

    Um, wat fact's, that C&G beat an inexperienced Jennette, but fails to mention that C&G had way more experience than a 4 fight Jennete or even a 22 fight pro. That fact??
    Are you saying the prof was polite, it must be love cos you overlook his sarcasm and his snide remarks. Polite, give me a break, jeez.
    Maybe you missed it but I tend to respond to every single remark posed.

    You're like a kid who has been outclassed in a friendly kick -around and now, after an attack of the sulks says," I'm taking my ball and I'm going home.
    Excellent using what I posted many threads ago talking about the same person.
    This is your partners exact response, "you'll never see another Jennette fight to some other poster, lol. "I'm taking my ball and I'm going home."haha
     
  10. dempsey1234

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    Do you have any modern [postWW2 ,] lists that feature Jeannette in a Heavyweight All Time Top Ten ? I ask because Johnson ,Louis,and Dempsey are routinely included in them, but I've never seen Jeannette's name in one! The very latest one, in this month's Ring,has the following:
    1.Ali
    2.Louis.
    3.Johnson
    6.Dempsey[/QUOTE]

    Again, cos apparently you missed the point, I never mentioned rankings, I dont get into fantasy boxing, and I dont think he was overrated and I dont think he was as bad as you paint him out to be.

    This post by you is silly the Ring ratings what does that prove, nada zlich. I never said he was a top 10 guy, and this ranking is what? 100yrs later, FYI 'The Ring', is not as highly thought of today as it was in Nat's day. So why bring it up? O I know you think it justifies your position that Jennete was nothing. Why disregard what his contemporaries and even Johnson chimed in. But of course you know better 100yrs later lol
     
  11. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ah, but who cares? Keep your collection I'd much rather go to YT, watch as many fights as I want without having to kiss your a ss
     
  12. BlackCloud

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    Childish attitude?....try looking in the ****ing mirror.
     
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  13. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Really who are you addressing? Address me, I am the one posting. OMG you didnt mention "biased" you who live by biased and agenda filled articles bahahaha.
    You who doesnt know the difference 'tween a contract, an offer and an agreement, please. Why are you so jealous that somebody is writing a book on Jennette's life. I know a fine pysstorian as yourself should know it's a writer prerogative to write what they want, who are you to say anything when all you done is mostly "write" a cut a paste book.
     
  14. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have, since I dont tell anybody if you dont agree with me, you wont see anymore clips of whoever. Or I have it you dont. That's childish, if you dont think that's childish no problem, I however do.
     
  15. mcvey

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    Being one of the big 4 which he undoubtedly was has jack sh*t to do with how he would do against Johnson,Louis and Dempsey.A question which you have now ducked 3 times! The toughest man Larry Holmes fought might very well be Randy Cobb.! What does that actually have to do with anything? Jack Johnson said the best heavyweight he ever saw was Fitzsimmons, and the toughest man he fought was Sam McVey.
    I have no partners on this forum and I have never claimed to be an historian I am just a boxing fan.
    I've never called Jeannette an also ran .If you wish to be his self appointed, "keeper of the flame " that's perfectly alright with me. I don't think he earns a place in the top 15 heavyweights of all time whereas Johnson,Dempsey, and Louis emphatically do,imo.If you think differently that's fine with me, but because I don't, does not mean I am pissing on his grave.There was no big demand for a Johnson v Jeannette title fight,and the 3 major promoters Curley ,Rickard,Coffroth said that ,"two blacks fighting wont draw flies".


    If there had been big interest in a title fight between Johnson and Jeannette in Europe why were no big offers made to Johnson to defend against him in Europe? Likewise why none in Australia? Promoters promote to make money if they thought it a lucrative match they would have promoted it would they not?
    Langford's biggest purse was against Iron Hague in London a black/white fight and Langford fought all the black fighters multiple times.

    I'll ask you just once more.
    Does Joe Jeannette beat Joe Louis prime for prime?
    Does Joe Jeannette beat Jack Johnson prime for prime?
    Does Joe Jeannette beat Jack Dempsey prime for prime?
    If you duck the question for the 4th time ,I won't bother with you further!