How many lineal champions would you favor Alexandar Povetkin to defeat

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How many lineal champions would you favor Alexandar Povetkin to defeat

  1. Less than 5

    7 vote(s)
    36.8%

  2. 6-10

    5 vote(s)
    26.3%

  3. 11-15

    1 vote(s)
    5.3%

  4. 16-20

    4 vote(s)
    21.1%

  5. 21 or more

    2 vote(s)
    10.5%
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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    How many lineal champions would you favor Alexandar Povetkin to defeat in a 12 rounds match, with ten point must scoring?

    Below are 39 men who won the lineal title. I did not count the men who won their title back.

    John L. Sullivan The Boston Strong Boy 1885-1892
    James J. Corbett Gentleman Jim 1892-1897
    Bob Fitzsimmons Ruby Robert 1897-1899
    James J. Jeffries The Boilermaker 1899-1905, retired
    Marvin Hart The Fightin' Kentuckian 1905-1906
    Tommy Burns The Little Giant of Hanover 1906-1908
    Jack Johnson Lil' Arthur 1908-1915
    Jess Willard The Pottawatomie Giant 1915-1919
    Jack Dempsey The Manassa Mauler 1919-1926
    Gene Tunney The Fighting Marine 1926-1928, retired
    Max Schmeling The Black Uhlan of the Rhine 1930-1932
    Jack Sharkey The Boston Gob 1932-1933
    Primo Carnera The Ambling Alp 1933-1934
    Max Baer The "Livermore Larruper" 1934-1935
    James J. Braddock The Cinderella Man 1935-1937
    Joe Louis The Brown Bomber 1937-1949, retired
    Ezzard Charles The Cincinnatti Cobra 1949-1951
    "Jersey" Joe Walcott Jersey Joe 1951-1952
    Rocky Marciano The Brockton Blockbuster 1952-1956, retired
    Floyd Patterson The Rabbit 1956-1959
    Ingemar Johansson Ingo 1959-1960
    Floyd Patterson The Rabbit 1960-1962
    Charles "Sonny" Liston The Black Bear 1962-1964
    Cassius Clay The Louisville Lip 1964-1970, retires
    Joe Frazier Smokin Joe 1970-1973
    George Foreman .Big George 1973-1974
    Muhammad Ali The Greatest 1974-1978
    Leon Spinks Neon Leon 1978
    Muhammad Ali The Greatest 1978-1979, retires 6/79
    Larry Holmes The Easton Assasin 1980-1985
    Michael Spinks The Spinks Jinx 1985-1988
    Mike Tyson Iron Mike 1988-1990
    James "Buster" Douglas Buster 1990
    Evander Holyfield The Real Deal 1990-1992
    Riddick Bowe Big Daddy 1992-1993
    Evander Holyfield The Real Deal 1993-1994
    Michael Moorer Double M 1994
    George Foreman Big George 1994-1997
    Shannon Briggs The Cannon 1997-1998
    Lennox Lewis The Lion 1998-2001
    Hasim Rahman The Rock 2001
    Lennox Lewis The Lion 2001-2004, retired
    Wladimir Klitschko Dr. Steelhammer 2009-2015, from his win over Chagaev
    Tyson Fury 2015-Present
     
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  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I'm not going to take the time to do an in depth analysis but I went ahead and selected the " 6-10 " option. Might have been a bit more or a bit less though. There were definitely some weaker linear champions that he could have taken.
     
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  3. Mendoza

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    My picks are in green, Poevtkin would beat them. He has good skills, good stamina, a top chin, would be bigger than most on the list, and good power. Not an easy out, and he's rather professional in terms of being focused leading up to the match.

    The picks that are too close to call for me are in yellow.

    So by my count, I'd favor him over 16 ( 17 if your count Foreman twice ) past lineal champions under the format and rules.


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    James J. Corbett Gentleman Jim 1892-1897
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    James J. Jeffries The Boilermaker 1899-1905, retired
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    Jack Dempsey The Manassa Mauler 1919-1926
    Gene Tunney The Fighting Marine 1926-1928, retired
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    Joe Louis The Brown Bomber 1937-1949, retired
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    "Jersey" Joe Walcott Jersey Joe 1951-1952
    Rocky Marciano The Brockton Blockbuster 1952-1956, retired
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    Charles "Sonny" Liston The Black Bear 1962-1964
    Cassius Clay The Louisville Lip 1964-1970, retires
    Joe Frazier Smokin Joe 1970-1973
    George Foreman .Big George 1973-1974
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    Larry Holmes The Easton Assasin 1980-1985
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    Mike Tyson Iron Mike 1988-1990
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    Evander Holyfield The Real Deal 1990-1992
    Riddick Bowe Big Daddy 1992-1993
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    Lennox Lewis The Lion 1998-2001
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    Wladimir Klitschko Dr. Steelhammer 2009-2015
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    2015-Present
     
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  4. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agree but i think he beats Marciano for sure and maybe frazier just on size and strength, not sure if he would beat fury at his best fury is very tall and moves very well for his height
     
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  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't think its beyond the realm of possibility that Michael Spinks might have outpointed Povetkin.
     
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  6. reznick

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    You have 2015 Fury losing to Povetkin?
     
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  7. Mendoza

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    A win over Frazier is possible as Povetkin was a bit like Quarry, except he hit harder, was more consistent, and didn't cut. Puls his ring IQ was mich higher. Quarry was a bit better on the counter. Bonevena nearly KO'd Frazier. Povetkin hits harder than him too.

    This would be a good fight. Frazier has the edge on speed, Povetkin the edge on durability. Overall skills, maybe go to Povetkin, and Povetkin himself has a very dangerous left hook. For now, I'd favor Frazier on points.

    I'm not sold on Fury. He beat Wlad, but when Wlad pressured him too late, he was winning. Povetkin is a pressure fighter, and I think would catch Fury.
     
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  8. Seamus

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    Everyone except Louis before Liston and quite possibly Liston, too.
     
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  9. Fergy

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    I'm going with this.
     
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  10. janitor

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    He would beat some of the weaker lineal champions, but he would probably lose to all of the stronger ones.
     
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  11. BCS8

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    I picked 11-15, and that's being pretty conservative.

    He's at least as heavy as some of the "giants" of old and much, much more skilled.

    Edit: Just looked up Jeffries, who was considered a specimen back then. Povetkin is both taller and heavier than him, is I humbly submit that his combination punching is on another level. He has 10lb on "giant" Jack Johnson too. The number he should be favoured over might be closer to 20 in retrospect.

    Mendoza's list is good.
     
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  12. dinovelvet

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    Fury is too good for Povetkin. It would look like Holmes vs Shavers.
     
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  13. ticar

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    pedvetkin looking spectacular lately... could pull some major upsets against the champs.
     
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  14. FrankinDallas

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    Are we talking about the same guy? The Russian who looks like Chucky?

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  15. Ken Ashcroft

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    16-20 sounds about right through to tell the truth I'm not entirely convinced by Povetkin's abilities.

    Btw. good job on all the nicknames. Tyson Fury is the only one that you missed out.I think he likes to call himself 'The Gypsy King'. The only two I didn't know on the list were Lennox Lewis (The Lion) and Michael Moorer (Double M).
     
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