Who is greater, Wlad or Lewis?

QED

 

like claiming if retiring marciano hadnt retired then young ali would have added a loss to him for sure. except without adding the insult of "KO".

yeh but you'd want it. You'd expect someone to climb into the mountains, excavate marcianos ashes and put them in a ring with cassius clay just to vindicate you.

 

He's listed here because people big him up as a Lewis opponent whereas his resume is flaccid and uninspiring compared to even the currently-derided Tony Thompson.

So a Commonwealth champion and Olympic medalist is worth a laugh but Mavrovic isn't?

Oh, so Mercer gets excused for losing to Wlad because he was 41, but Thompson gets no credit for beating Solis at 43? GTFOH. Solis isn't spectacular but he's solid and could beat anybody not on a high level.

31-4, and he beat McCall, Cole and Hoffman who are decent.

45-6, went the distance with Holy and nearly cost Moorer his title. He's solid.

Why don't you explain why Lewis fought Butler and Fortune, then, if Thompson sucks so much?

 

Au contraire, I have been taking names and kicking ass.

Try again. I'm comparing your LOGIC vis a vis Mercer to how you fail to apply the same standards to Lewis' opponents.

It was right here from the start:

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/who-is-greater-wlad-or-lewis.585441/page-5#post-18519638

"I agree that the Mercer Wlad fought < the Mercer Lewis fought."
Learn to read.[/QUOTE]

 

Yes.

 

yeh u r so full o it.


i just posted supportive pots of wlad but u'd never see it with your eyes.

 

Get back to me when you can speak English like a proper Englishman, and not like a savage with a mouth full of mush.

 

speak? u r in my house?

but sure run away when u know u've lost bye.

 

So you think it's ridiculous to suggest that a legitimate, undefeated European Champion, was more deserving of a title shot than an aging chancer, like Thompson?

I don't think that's the case, at all, and the fact you have to stand against it so vehemently, as to describe it as "ridiculous" tells me more about your investment in Wlad than it does mine in whatever "agenda" you think it is I need to pursue.

I've not in any way "defended" Phil Jackson's record.
I said he wasn't a world-beater but, in general, had fought the better opposition. And, just to be clear, I was referring to opposition leading up to his fight with Lewis. Despite Losing to Ruddock, it is not incorrect to suggest that Ruddock was better than anyone Thompson fought, on the way to facing Wlad.

Thompson has not demonstrated some vast superiority over the opponents you want to use to discredit Lewis.

You're clearly a Lewis Fan.

 

No need. These weren't Lewis Title fights.

 

I'll go with Wlad although I suspect most will side with Lewis.

Wlad is the second longest reigning Hw champ in history next to Louis.
He's made the 3rd most consecutive title defenses in history behind Louis and Holmes.
Aside from his brother he fought all the top opponents during his run.
He fought many opponents at their absolute peak. That's very important to me. Wins over Prime, peak opponents.
When his brother snapped his ACL in 05 from that moment until the loss to fury in 2015 Wlad was unequivocally the best HW in the world. A 10 year span. During which time he rarely lost rounds let alone fights.
That is extraordinary for a HW run. In both length and dominance.

 

While I chose Lewis, what you write above is not yet properly appreciated. But this is the same story with almost all heavy champs. Their legacy increases to proper proportion over time.

 

It's all becoming a lot clearer now. That is: Why you also think Wlad Klitschko is an ATG Heavyweight.

It's a shame you can't see that you're not, because it's clear to anyone with an ounce of intelligence (and integrity) that you have applied your own definitions and standards in a shoddy and typically 'try-too-hard' fashion.

Anyhow - You keep thinking that you have somehow refuted my original point, which should be easy for you to do, as a dreamy-eyed Wlad fan. However, no amount of fantasy goal post moving, wanton revisionism and gratuitous emoji-use will change the fact that, simply put, you have not.

These were my words: "then finally admit that you think "Lewis Mercer > Wlad Mercer", which you hadn't done to me directly, until your post above"

The link is to a response you made to mcvey; not directly to me.

Perhaps you should learn to read.

 

Of course he is. The only argument is where in the top 10 he ranks.

^ Opinion. Wrong, at that.

Which was what, exactly?

That's part of the thread. If you're too slow to keep up, then perhaps you ought to head back to General.

 

Ahh , that's nice dear and would probably ring true if you weren't an agenda driven fanboy. But you're incessant , rabid and fanatical hatred of Wilder has left you with zero credibility. None
According to you any prime peak opponent even associated with the name Wilder is total rubbish , bum , scrub etc and he deserves ZERO credit for any of his wins.
News flash dumbo , Washington, Duhplass , Spilka , Malik Scott are the same level as MaCline , Austin , Brock , , Jennings , Wach , Thompson and better than guys like Leapai , Pianeta , Mormeck , Rahman.
Stiverne is equal to shot to bits Byrd for the title.
Wilders run is no different to Vitalis WBC yet Wilder is the biggest disgrace to ever lace up a pair of gauntlets amirite?
If thats not bad enough its ENTIRELY his fault that Povekin lost his ranking with the WBC? Amirtie ?? Wilder was 100% to blame , yes?
You're trash son. Absolute garbage.