Joe Jeannette V Jack Dempsey,Joe Louis,Jack Johnson?

Yes, I have your fight list. Big deal. I know it's yours because I had it sent from me from a serious collector who I trust, and has your name on it. Sometimes you say the headlines verbatim here on fight XYZ.

Here's your chance to put me in my place, besides Jeannette vs. Langford, and Joe Jeannette sparing with Jack Johnson as old men for WW II bonds, what other film is there of Joe Jeannette that you own in the rings with gloves on?

Here's the point where you ignore my question ( your standard play ).

Your move...I doubt you give me a direct reply, and to cut you off, don't say Jeannette vs. Jim Battling Johnson which is out there in rumor, but most likely misunderstood as Sam McVey vs. Jim Battling Johnson, which I own.

Sam McVey looks one dimensional on film by the way, and isn't a tough as you might imagine. He gets hit and retreats. Jeannette outgunned by Langford shows much better skills and movement.

 

mcvey,Being one of the big 4 which he undoubtedly was has jack sh*t to do with how he would do against Johnson,Louis and Dempsey.

What dont you understand about my reply, I dont indulge in fantasy boxing, cos no matter what anybody may think, has absolutely no bearing on reality, or change things. I gave you an example King Kong vs Godzilla, it's fantasy. The same thing, Lewis vs Louis thats your thing not mine, I deal with reality or try to.

A question which you have now ducked 3 times!
You love that word dont you, "ducked", the same way Carp ducked Greb, Dempsey ducked greb and wills,please.
I've answered your question, who I think might have won or lost is meaningless, just as your thoughts are about who would win or lose 100yrs later

The toughest man Larry Holmes fought might very well be Randy Cobb.!

Haha clutching at straws, Cobb and Jennette, please. Why do you leave out relevant facts such as how old were the guys Cobb beat that were his biggest wins? Hmmmm!

What does that actually have to do with anything?

If I have have to tell you, Cobb was a tough guy, but he never fought a young Shavers or a young Norton, meanwhile Jennete fought two of the most dangerous HW's ever when they were young. So you pulling this rabbit out of your hat falls flat.

Jennete tough and Cobb tough two altogether different things, and I have to tell you this, sheesh

Jack Johnson said the best heavyweight he ever saw was Fitzsimmons, and the toughest man he fought was Sam McVey.

Yes but since you take this as written in stone, then what he said about Jennette, should also be written in stone.

I have no partners on this forum and I have never claimed to be an historian I am just a boxing fan.
I guess it only seems that way

If you wish to be his self appointed, "keeper of the flame " that's perfectly alright with me.
Explain why is it, that I have to be anybodies keeper of the flame? Why cant I be just a fan like yourself? A fan who see's someone pyssing on someone's legacy and responds to it.

I don't think he earns a place in the top 15 heavyweights of all time whereas Johnson,Dempsey, and Louis emphatically do,imo.

Again so what, 100yrs later. Show me where I claimed he was the best ever and where he should be ranked. All that should matter is what he accomplished in his day. He fought and done well in his time people, 100yrs later may not think so but Jennette deserves respect for what he did 100+yrs ago not where he stands now.

If you think differently that's fine with me, but because I don't, does not mean I am pissing on his grave.There was no big demand for a Johnson v Jeannette title fight,and the 3 major promoters Curley ,Rickard,Coffroth said that ,"two blacks fighting wont draw flies".

If there had been big interest in a title fight between Johnson and Jeannette in Europe why were no big offers made to Johnson to defend against him in Europe? Likewise why none in Australia? Promoters promote to make money if they thought it a lucrative match they would have promoted it would they not?

But this is well known, in Europe they did ok, and all the big 4 fought overseas with great success. Answer this where did clutch n grab defend against a black fighter? Should be easy. Was there a huge demand for the Johnson's fighting in France? In fact going on what you claim of no demand, how much demand was there for the rest of the guys Johnson fought. Really how much demand was there for one of the most boring HW champs ever?

Langford's biggest purse was against Iron Hague in London a black/white fight and Langford fought all the black fighters multiple times.

I'll ask you just once more.
Does Joe Jeannette beat Joe Louis prime for prime?
Does Joe Jeannette beat Jack Johnson prime for prime?
Does Joe Jeannette beat Jack Dempsey prime for prime?
If you duck the question for the 4th time ,I won't bother with you further!

Cop out alert, O wah, I gave you my answer and even explained it in detail. If you cant understand that then you are using this as a cop out. I will keep answering if addressed to me

 

mcvey,
You mention Nat Fleischer's day and the esteem the Ring was held in.
Here's a question for you.

Q. Whom did Fleischer rate as the number one heavyweight of all time?
A. Jack Johnson!

Ok so what, I never claimed any kind of ranking for Jennette. Hey, but you know what it shows what kind of fighter Jennette was cos if you read the quotes that I posted earlier, from both Nat and C&G and chimed in. Thank you for up grading Jennette cos he was ranked by C&G himself as the #7 HW, but you must know that I guess it was better to say Fitz was #1, cos it supports whatever point you were trying to make

Here is his top ten.
"As I have had it listed in The Ring Record Book for some years, my all-time rating of heavyweights is as follows: 1. Jack Johnson, 2. Jim Jeffries, 3. Bob Fitzsimmons, 4. Jack Dempsey, 5. James J. Corbett, 6. Joe Louis, 7. Sam Langford, 8. Gene Tunney, 9. Max Schmeling, 10. Rocky Marciano."

Do you see Jeannette's name there?

No, not there but Johnson who actually fought some of the guys he ranked, ranked Jennette #7, I would think C&G opinion carries more weight then Nat.

I've never said," Jeannette was nothing," and you wont find any quote from me saying so, the nearest I have been to being negative about him is to say I think he is a bit overated today.
Fine, you are a 100yrs removed from that era and what you think today, means nothing as to what Jennette's contemporaries thought. But you are entitled to think anyway you want, but if you post then expect a response.

I reiterate that now. If you "don't get into fantasy boxing" why the f*ck are you posting on a thread which has as its topic three fantasy fights? You're not a full shilling are you

O my, let me explain to one who is kinda dense, I stated in an earlier post on this thread, that I was replying to krapper's overrated comment, and that is not fantasy boxing, and that should explain my answer to this thread. O temper, temper think of your blood pressure.

 

Again acting dumb or really dumb, which? How many times must I explain the same thing over n over. Boxing is real, guessing who would win is not, simple right? Not to you I guess. I believe i have answered the question to my satisfaction but since you deal in fantasy, who would win tween King Kong vs a prime Godzilla? It's the same thing. It's the same as if I said Joe Louis would beat Harry greb in a 10rd fight with 6oz gloves, it didnt happen if thats your thing pleaase feel free to post I promise you I will not bother you, but when there is a comment about somebody's career that I feel is wrong on that I can comment on I will, after all this is a forum.
I believe, I have shown courage of my convictions, I have stuck by and defended my conviction and they havent changed. Now if I said so n so will beat so n so, then I have no courage of my convictions. See how that works. If you want to opt out, and using my not giving you the answer you seek, go right ahead, it's a cop out.

 

mcvey,This forum is the classic ,a large part of it the largest, consists of matchups of boxers across different eras. Boxers that actually existed.
It's still fiction like King Kong vs Godzilla deciding who would win in a fictional matchup. Like I posted earlier if that is your cup of tea by all means indulge, me, I deal in things "that actually existed".

Godzilla and King Kong are mythical movie creatures, they have no relevance or place in this thread, or indeed on this forum. And you have the gall to talk about dumb?

That you are going off on a tangent is what is dumb, it was meant to be dumb. Fight fans are always arguing about fictional fights, as Louis vs Lewis. That's great, I dont indulge in it cos it's only one person's opinion vs another persons opinion. If I am going to argue I want to argue about real fights and fighters rather than who could beat who.

Perhaps you should confine yourself to reading monster comics?
Dont read them

You are a total stranger to logic , and cannot even argue your corner.
Yes I am a total stranger to your logic, cos it's your logic not mine. My corner is doing just fine thanks for asking.

In short you are a moral coward.
How did you arrive at that delusion? I believe I have stood up and had the courage to defend my convictions and stand by them.

 

Pass so sayeth he, as he fades into the sunset. A fighter is more than his win loss -record or his ranking or what pysstorians say a 100 yrs later. Jennette, more than held his own and earned his way into the "Big Four", as many of his contemporaries indicated including Jack Johnson. His fight with McVey was epic where he was down many times kept getting up to fight back and winning. The big four consisted of Jack Johnson, Sam Langford, Sam McVea and Jennette, that's some mighty good company to be in.

 

And yet youve never reproduced or even been able to corroborate anything on it. LOL.

Ahhh, see here is the thing. If you have my list you should know. Why dont you illuminate me and tell me exactly what my list says in regards to Jeanette. In fact, my list has DVD and VHS catalogue numbers on it, even my public list that I used to give traders. So even if you only have the public list, anything you copy and paste with Jeanettes name attached to it should have my catalogue numbers associated with them. Go ahead, copy and paste those and lets see the format and numbers? Even if you say I only have Langford-Jeanette and Jeanette-Johnson those would be in my list. So go ahead and post those notations. No? I didnt think so, because thats an easy thing for me to call you out on. You know as soon as you post some fake ass bull**** like you always do I'll post pictures of the actual DVDs and tapes as well as my corresponding notes on my list. So have at it, and while your at it tell once again all about the Langford-Hague fight you said you had seen and that Spoon had but for some reason said you were lying about, or how Gunboat Smith had knocked out Jack Johnson in an exhibition despite having been referred numerous times to his own words refuting this, or any of the other ten gazillion lies, like this one about my list, that you tell on here.

Balls in your court asshat. The bottom line is this ****ing pinhead will be long gone before he ever sees anything related to Jeanette from my collection and the little he has seen of Jeanette actually fighting is thanks to me. Not you, not him, not anybody else. So tell me, who is the "pisstorian" here? The guy who has found, preserved, and restored countless films, spent twelve years working on a published biography, and contributes daily to the preservation of boxing history? Or some dumbass ex jarhead from jersey who somehow wound up with Jeanette's scrapbook and let someone who wrote a fictional biography on Jeanette see it. You tell me?

Maybe thats because you havent seen any other footage of McVey, do me a favor and post the notes on McVey from list as well with DVD and VHS catalogue numbers? No? I didnt think so. I guess you can go on believing that all I have in my collection on McVey is the Johnson fight as well. Bet youd really like to know wouldnt you. You wont find out from some fake ass list you conjured up...

 

klompton2 And yet youve never reproduced or even been able to corroborate anything on it. LOL.

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Ahhh, see here is the thing. If you have my list you should know. Why dont you illuminate me and tell me exactly what my list says in regards to Jeanette. In fact, my list has DVD and VHS catalogue numbers on it, even my public list that I used to give traders. So even if you only have the public list, anything you copy and paste with Jeanettes name attached to it should have my catalogue numbers associated with them. Go ahead, copy and paste those and lets see the format and numbers? Even if you say I only have Langford-Jeanette and Jeanette-Johnson those would be in my list. So go ahead and post those notations. No? I didnt think so, because thats an easy thing for me to call you out on. You know as soon as you post some fake ass bull**** like you always do I'll post pictures of the actual DVDs and tapes as well as my corresponding notes on my list. So have at it, and while your at it tell once again all about the Langford-Hague fight you said you had seen and that Spoon had but for some reason said you were lying about, or how Gunboat Smith had knocked out Jack Johnson in an exhibition despite having been referred numerous times to his own words refuting this, or any of the other ten gazillion lies, like this one about my list, that you tell on here. - Kolpmpton

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Maybe thats because you havent seen any other footage of McVey, do me a favor and post the notes on McVey from list as well with DVD and VHS catalogue numbers? No? I didnt think so. I guess you can go on believing that all I have in my collection on McVey is the Johnson fight as well. Bet youd really like to know wouldnt you. You wont find out from some fake ass list you conjured up. - Klompton.

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Ah professor crapper reappears, spewing manure from both ends.

Balls in your court asshat. The bottom line is this ****ing pinhead will be long gone before he ever sees anything related to Jeanette from my collection and the little he has seen of Jeanette actually fighting is thanks to me. Not you, not him, not anybody else.

Again like a child you resort to I have it you dont, please realize nobody gives a load of what you are full of.

So tell me, who is the "pisstorian" here?

You are by far, tell me again about Tunney ducking another fight with Greb when Greb accepted, explain again how Kearns stalling killed the Dempsey fight, explain why you dont know the difference tween an offer, an agreement and a contract. How Dempsey and Carpentier were under absolutely no obligation to fight Greb.

The guy who has found, preserved, and restored countless films, spent twelve years working on a published biography, and contributes daily to the preservation of boxing history?

This is fine and dandy but when you keep wagging that you have it and nobody does, are you preserving it for yourself so you can have bragging rights.

Or some dumbass ex jarhead from jersey
Jarhead is marine who served his country, have you? Whoever this marine is deserves respect if for nothing else he served his country. You say he lives in Jersey man up and visit him and spew the manure you spew here.
Semper fi, butthead.

who somehow wound up with Jeanette's scrapbook and let someone who wrote a fictional biography on Jeanette see it. You tell me?

Are you jealous that he got it and not you, why are you so butthurt? About somebody writing a fictional account, didnt they do the same thing with a book about Stanley Ketchell, you may be missing the point. Writing a fictional account takes writing skills and imagination, which you apparently lack cos it takes no writing skill or imagination to put out what is basically a copy n paste book.
Yes I will tell you, you are a jealous, petty pysstorian in fine standing. Psst some real historian posted what they thought of the book, maybe you should review them.

 

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More lies. You cant name them because anyone familiar with my list can tell you that what you posted didnt come from it.

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What you posted didnt have any catalogue numbers and you know it. Go back and quote yourself. It wasnt from my list. I cut and pasted the same section from my actual list to compare with the garbage you posted and it didnt match and anyone familiar with my list could confirm that.

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Like I said, you have my list, so you say, cut and paste exactly what it says including the tapes and DVD numbers. Why would I confirm or deny what I have to you. Id rather keep you guessing because regardless of all of your bluster we both know your lying. In fact go ahead and post something innocuous from my list like what it says I have of Joe Frazier or Joe Louis or Sugar Ray Robinson and lets see exactly how it compares with what I actually own, because once again, I can post screen shots from my collection proving I have items that arent on whatever list you think you have. If you are so convinced you know what is in my collection based on some list you got from some clown you cant name then you shouldnt have a problem backing it up. Like I said, I didnt think so.

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No, you lied and used his name in private hoping nobody would actually ask him. He came out and publicly said you lied which all of us already knew.

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There is but if you had my list youd know that. Theres also more outside of the ring footage, again, if you had my list youd know that. But please, feel free to post what is supposedly on my list including catalogue numbers so we can cross reference. Somehow I doubt youll take me up on the offer you lying chicken ****.