Better All-Around Fighter: Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

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Who was the better all-around fighter, Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

  1. Primo Carnera

  2. Riddick Bowe

  3. They were equally good all-around fighters

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    What rounds/fights were the GIFs?

    BTW, "feather fisted" is obviously hyperbole when used to describe a muscular 270-lb behemoth. In any event, punching power is not an absolute that can be evaluated in a vacuum. Punches hurt more when opponents are tired, don't see them coming, etc.
     
  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    You think this rant from boxing-hater Dana White is more credible than the excerpts I posted?? :nonono More importantly, White's quotes aren't remotely as damaging an assessment of Wlad's physical abilities and talent, as the other article was of Carnera's.
     
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  3. reznick

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    Yeah if youre talking about head snapping blows.
    But not body moving blows.

    Feather fists dont move bodies with punches.
    carnera almost tipped Gaines over with a body blow.

    The Gifs are from the fight videos on youtube.
    Campolo, Gains, Sharkey
     
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  4. reznick

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    Why does every writer give Carnera crap for fighting no names at the start of his career?
    Every boxer does it, but for some reason Carnera is guilty of it.

    There was and still is clearly an unfair expectation of Carneras ability as a boxer due to his size.
    He got knocked down by people 100lb smaller then him? Yeah, of course, it's boxing.
    If you let someone nail you on the chin you can go down. They probably thought Primo could take any punch from any smaller man because they haven't watched 10,000 knockouts on film like we have, and weren't astute to the realities of getting punched on the chin.
     
  5. mcvey

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    QUOTE="reznick, post: 18521422, member: 54206"]Withholding purses was more common back then.
    You think they would've given out the purses to Klitschko and Fury for their fight?[/QUOTE]
    Yes of course.
    Name 5 fights in which purses were withheld from 1928 -1933, fights in which Carnera was not involved ,that's just one a year..

    If you had a signed confession from 20 of Carnera's opponents stating that they went into the tank for Primo I don't think you would accept it ,just as you wont accept Carnera's manager Leon See's written statement that many of Carnera's fights were fixed and he gave details and dates to support it.
     
  6. janitor

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    There is simply no way that the second Sharkey fight was fixed.

    A knockout of that nature would be almost impossible to stage.

    Why even bother quoting the rabblings of somebody recalling the events of the fight, when you can watch the footage in slow motion a dozen times yourself?

    Neither Gallico not See should be regarded as reliable sources.
     
  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    So he, like many, abhorred Klitschko's tactics in the Povetkin fight? Cool. Still don't see how any reasonable person could see this as more damning re: his overall abilities than the writeup about Carnera's difficulties hurting 175-lb men. Not to mention that at the end of the day Wlad shut out and repeatedly dropped a strong undefeated, hard hitting, Olympic Gold medalist 6'2 225-lb knockout artist who would have kicked Carnera's ass.
     
  8. mcvey

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    Gains beat Carnera easily, I spoke to him at the RAH, he was a lovely old gentleman,happy to big up Jack Dempsey,and George Godfrey , but when I mentioned Carnera ,he just laughed and would not be drawn.
     
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  9. mrkoolkevin

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    I was surprised to see John Thomas in that group though.
     
  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Have you seen the fights they say were fixed? Because they did!
     
  11. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    You should have shown him Rez's 2-second video clip. Might have completely changed his opinion on Carnera!
     
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  12. mcvey

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    Why because you don't agree with them?
     
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  13. reznick

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    It seems like some of his fights may have been fixed. But it's overstated by writers suspicious of foreigners.
    Carnera wasn't a fraud like you imply.

    He won the HW title of the world fairly.
    Louis and Baer didn't expose him like they would a fraud.
     
  14. janitor

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    No, because of their motives, and the numerous contradictions in their testimonies.
     
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  15. janitor

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    I have seen the Sharkey fight, and I know that their testimony regarding that was full of factual errors.

    Why then would I trust their testimony on fights that I have not seen?
     
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