I've just illustrated that your excuse doesn't hold water. Can't you be big enough to admit that? The other names you mentioned were not active fighters then so are irrelevant.
Please, is that your best? Since I do have to explain things to you twice, three-four and many more times and you still cant understand. My point was ko% is a useless measurement of somebodies power. Wasnt it you who first brought up top 100 punchers, that was silly. You know or should know Carnera was not a big puncher so why argue the point?
But didnt you say it was paper talk????? So you know for a fact that it was never even discussed. Sounds reasonable.
I never implied it was ,God you are dense! My list confirms that it isn't! The list is an emphatic rebuttal to Double Chin's excuse as to why Carnera is NOT on the 100 best punchers ! Do yourself a favour and read it in context because you are making yourself look stupid here.
How pedantic and petty can you actually become ? Because you've pretty much established the benchmark here!
For me it's inconclusive. It's a mixed bag. 1. The footage doesn't clearly show the physical point of impact. That leaves us guessing a bit. 2. Sharkey looks genuinely hurt. The way his body and face react isn't suspicious at all. 3. The set-up looks a bit weird though. Bouncing off the ropes and leaning over waiting, looks a bit like something from a Hulk Hogan fight.
FFS this evidence should close the thread. No boxer has EVER stated he got KO'd to the point of crying when he wasn't actually KO'd. Practically every boxer who got KO'd has some excuse....rarely do they admit they were hurt. Who the F cares what Sharkey's wife said? My wife once told someone I wasn't the world's greatest lover, and that's a damn lie.
Savage uppercut, the left also caught him flush while he was on his way down. Carnera was a better boxer than some people give him credit for.
How did you point out anything? I SAID Carnera WASN'T one of the best punchers ever. Then you decided to post some inane "best punchers ever list" that included guys like Joe Choynski, and not Carnera ... like I said Carnera was a great puncher. I said Carnera wasn't one of the best punchers. So I don't see the point. (Side note: I don't know where the hell you discuss who the greatest punchers ever were, but I've never heard anyone bring up Joe "freaking" Choynski. Wherever you got it, it's a stupid list. There were much better punchers than Choynski. I named more than a half dozen between burps while typing them.) That aside, Carnera was good enough to knock out Sharkey and outpoint Tommy Loughran and hold the heavyweight title briefly. I think he'd beat some other champs who came before him, and some who came after. You can point to every heavyweight who ever held the world title, and say he should've knocked out this guy and didn't. (Like Holmes-Rodriquez). And, on the other hand, he knocked out this guy and I never thought he would. Oliver McCall knocked out Lennox Lewis and Oleg Maskaev and Bruce Seldon, yet Dave Jaco went the distance with him ... and Davarryl "terrible chin" Williamson not only went the distance, he beat McCall. Does that mean Lewis, Maskaev and Seldon took dives, because McCall couldn't "dent" Dave Jaco and Davarryl Williamson? Jersey Joe (who wasn't one of the best heavyweight punchers ever, either) fought Charles on four occasions ... in three of them the two fought 45 rounds in total, and Walcott arguably lost all three fights. Yet, in their third meeting, Walcott scored a one-punch KO. That doesn't mean Charles took a dive that one time. It just means he got caught. Just like it didn't mean Walcott took a dive when he got stopped by the lumbering Abe Simon. Carnera stopped Sharkey that time, after Sharkey outpointed him the first time they fought. That fact doesn't mean Sharkey took a dive. The film doesn't look like a dive. The fighter said he didn't take a dive and said there would be nothing anyone could offer that would make him take a dive. Carnera fought 102 times and scored 71 KOs. He was capable of a scoring a ko. He scored a lot of them. It's not like Carnera-Sharkey II was televised in the homes of people around the world. It was likely shown for a few days in theaters afterward, and then for decades never seen again. We all know how rumors grow when there isn't footage readily available, especially when you have guys like Nat Fleischer spreading rumors for decades unabated. And we all know how long it takes rumors to die even after film is available. (Hell, people still think Ali got five minutes rest and his glove had to be replaced in the first Cooper fight.) Carnera stopped Sharkey, clearly. If the Carnera-Sharkey rematch was held this weekend and televised around the world, nobody would've thought it was a dive. There's nothing about it that looks fishy at all.
You made an excuse as to why Carnera was not on the list,your excuse was he only had a 69% ko record. I've since showed you 18 ,[there are plenty more,] that are on that list who have a lower percentage than Carnera.So your excuse falls by default and,if you can't admit that, so does my respect for you, not that you care about that ,I'm just mentioning it for the record.
My "only excuse" ... it's not an "excuse." You said a guy with 71 KOs should be included on best punchers ever lists. I said he wasn't one of the best punchers. You're just arguing nonsense now for the sake of arguing. And you don't have to be one of the best punchers of all time to score an upset KO in the heavyweight division. You only have to watch the sport for about a week to figure that one out.
My reply that is so stupid is and was that ko% is not a measurement of power and is useless. That's my opinion why is it stupid? I believe D, explained what he meant quite clearly maybe you should review it.