Better All-Around Fighter: Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

Yes I see what you mean. Those are better examples of fighters who used their full body weight.

Ali, using less of his weight still flattened guys like Foreman and Foley who were counted out. He also spread eagled Al blue Lewis and Cleveland Williams but both were saved by the bell and carried to their corners.

I was merely demonstrating real "count out" knockouts at world level by a heavyweight champion who did not punch with his full weight.

Like Carnera did.

 

Or did not know how to land a powerful blow!

 

Perhaps Bowe is a tad better than Carnera in some aspects but how much of that could be attributed to fighting similar sized foes as himself where he was better able to coordinate himself without looking as blundering as he did against Herbie Hide?

I voted for equal amount of technical ability seeing as Carnera fought on average just about every month of his career and developed as he went on against faster smaller guys.

Against a man closer to his own size Carnera looked as a capable fighter as many champions of the SHW ilk.

Believe it or not I am a fan of Bowe, I rate him above bald Foreman, the comeback version. Bowe was brave beyond duty and a good inside fighter.

 

You could not be more wrong.

There was a sub set who bought into the early Carnera hype, which saw him as the ultimate evolution of the sport.

The new dreadnoughtweight.

I have omitted them, because I do not see them as being particularly relevant.

 

I see Carnera as being about on a par with Kubrat Pulev.

 

Except Carnera knocked out the highest regarded heavyweight in the world and legitimately defended the undisputed title twice. Both points beyond the capabilities of kubrat Pulev.

 

I see him as being a bit more.

If you are right, then he could at least have been a #1 contender today.

 

Actually we don't know this because, although Pulev failed against Wlad ,he never faced Sharkey,whom he could conceivably have beaten and he never faced Loughran or Uzcudun either I would have given Pulev a solid chance against either,and I am no fan of his!

 

That's a good point, Pulev had to fight Wlad.
Carnera looks much better than him though.

Something tells me Pulev wouldn't be ranked that high in the 30's if he had to fight people like Santa, Campolo, Carnera, Sharkey, Maloney, Harris, Godfrey. And that's leaving a lot of people out. I could be wrong but I feel strongly that he wouldn't get a lineal title shot in the 30's, at least not without facing tougher adversity and suffering some losses.

 

Stoke the fire

 

Yes Bowe won that fight with Hide but it didn't stop him from looking just as much the blundering oaf that Carnera has been accused of being for years.

Also there was the lousy way Bowe fought against buster mathis jnr. If Bowe fought in the 1930s we would have seen a lot more of this. And he most likely would get cut up and decked more from those smaller, harder gloves in the process.

My point was it's harder for any SHW to look so pleasing to the eye against a shorter faster man. Bowe was no more immune to this than any other big man.

 

The underlined is just supposition not supported by facts.
Carnera looked just as much the blundering oaf against the men his own size he fought.See my thread," Thud & Blunder" where he is fighting Ray Impelletiere,and check him out on Reznik;s thread I posted him v Campolo.
BTW Hide was 6'2" and 214lbs, 4.5lbs more than Baer was when he dropped Carnera 11 times!