[GIF] Carnera KO Sharkey (Slow Mo)

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  1. FrankinDallas

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    Classic thread.....will be a Hulu mini-series some day.
     
  2. reznick

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    It can't be his elbow because Sharkey starts going up before the forearm or elbow get there.

    As soon as Primos fist reaches Jack, he starts going up.
     
  3. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You mean the fist we cannot actually see making contact?

    And, even if it did, this does not rule out the possibility of a second/follow-on impact.
     
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  4. reznick

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    So assuming this theory, the elbow or forearm hits the side of his head, making it go skywards?
     
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    Honestly, in all my experience with boxing, you're not launching someones head in the air like that without landing a proper flush uppercut. The idea that a forearm or elbow would cause that reaction seems unrealistic at best, and impossible at worst.

    But at the end of the day, you don't actually literally see the fist connect with the head.
    So I guess if you want, you can even assume that a kangaroo emerged from Primos shorts to deliver the uppercut.
    But it's pretty obvious what actually happens.

    I think some people are definitely being genuine in reserving conclusions.
    But I think others just don't want to believe that Primo was capable of that kind of power. Too much ego on the line or something.
     
  6. Man_Machine

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    If you've read my post before last, you will have noted that I point out the direction of Sharkey's head moving straight up and straight backwards - which, in itself, seems strange, given the direction the punch is traveling in (right-to-left, with a slight upwards motion).

    I also mention the point at which Carnera's forearm and elbow appear level with Sharkey's face, while he is still looking downwards.

    Sharkey's head is indeed in the process of rising straight upwards but it then jerks straight backwards, at the point I mention.

    This is just as it appears to me, having looked at the clip several times.
     
  7. reznick

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    It's not strange for a powerful SHW uppercut.
    The punch travels upwards far more than right-to-left.

    Here it is frame by frame.
    https://streamable.com/mpjqt
     
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  8. dempsey1234

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    Give up and stop pickin' on Mcvey, you are not going to change his mind. When he couldnt see Louis' right hand at the end of the first round and that punch was clearer what chance do you have convincing him with Primo's shot, none.

    After viewing the clip, either Sharkey had terrific timing to "act" out his dying swan routine or it was legitimate shot. Sort of like the "acting" done by two ATG's Jack "clutch n Grab" Johnson when he went down, in the Ketchell fight, and the Joe Gans in the McGovern fight, you get caught you go down that's all. It's ok life goes whether it was legit or not, it's a matter of visual interpretation you see one thing somebody else see's something else.

    I believe if you look at the poster, and how he posts, one that is forever looking at the losses, and bringing up any flaw that they "think" they see.

    An example Jack Johnson's series of fights with Joe Jennette, these negative posters, say Johnson beat Jennette like his daddy, ignoring the fact that Johnson first fought Jennette when he was 0-3, been a pro about 6months meanwhile Johnson had been a pro 7 1/2 yrs and had 37 pro fights. Jennette's last fight with Johnson a yr and a half later Jennette had 22 fights and Johnson 57. They make a big deal that Johnson beat Jennette when they know or should know Jennette was fighting a seasoned pro while he was just starting out. Nope, the negative boys come in and gloat. Why not include that Jennette was inexperienced, why not factor in what contempraries had to say including Johnson. Nope, 100yrs later these guys know better. They ignore relevant facts like they dont matter.

    These knowledgeable posters that you admire only post what fits their agenda, nothing else. I say do your own research there are thousands of free articles online in the Newspaper archives. Before I came on the Classic forum, I thought what was being said that Dempsey ducked Greb and Wills was true, it was not, just by reading articles written by great sportswriters, I found the reasons that they never fought, and that Dempsey was not ducking Wills and Greb. Do yourself a favor, check out these freebie online archives, dont be led by the nose by these so-called historians. There are pay sites also but check out the freebies first before you look at the pay sites.
    O good morning or afternoon mc, hope you had a restful night.
     
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  9. dempsey1234

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    Thanks Rez, I dont know how much clearer it could be. The heck with right or left theory, look at the position of Sharkey's head, he was open to be hit with an uppercut and that's what Primo threw and apparently landed. Look at Sharkey's ducking left him wide open to be hit.
     
  10. Man_Machine

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    A terrific Forearm Smash in slow, slow motion, no less.
     
  11. Birmingham

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    I'm looking at an exaggerated reaction from a punch here imo
     
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  12. dempsey1234

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    O please, but if that's what you that's what you see. Psst just to let you know if it was a forearm it was not clear as it's not evident. If you are claiming and standing by the forearm it isnt as clear as you state, but it's ok.
    A "compliment" you sound a lot like "many alts" in your responses. Anyway your theory sounded nice but lacked substance and the "like" you got confirms it. Anyway welcome to the circus
     
  13. dempsey1234

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    I guess you've never been hit by a huge ponderous guy who outweighs you by a bunch. Primo was not a huge puncher, a huge puncher landing the same shot, they drop straight down, a ponderous puncher lifts you up.
     
  14. KuRuPT

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    You can't really say what happened with that punch as you can't see it. To claim it's crystal clear it's a punch, when you can't even see the punch land is kind of funny to me.
     
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  15. Man_Machine

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    This was quite implicit in my first post on the topic.

    I have no idea what the rest of your post is on about but, please do send me the name of that sherry you need to lay off of.