Joe Jeannette V Jack Dempsey,Joe Louis,Jack Johnson?

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  1. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Wow, haven't been here w any regularity in ages and a bit shocked to see the degree of mean spirited behavior. Not that it is happening but that the same characters are spewing it .. so much for mellowing w age ..

    Jeannette would likely have the best shot against Dempsey based on his chin and toughness. Unless Jack took him out early which is unlikely as no one ever did, Joe could give him a hell of a go. Dempsey's fifteen round stamina was only tested once. I believe the best Dempsey beats him but who knows .. ?
     
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  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't wish to get between you and Mendoza you've already called his bluff,yes he is a liar .
    I pm'd Ted Spoon and he confirmed he has never seen the Langford v Hague fight , nor told anyone he has.He also gave me his full permission to say so on this forum and I did, exposing Mendoza's lies.
    I predict he will prevaricate and say he cannot give out names because he is, "protecting the identity of historians".
    He once made a bet with me that the Fitzsimons v Ruhlin fight was filmed ,you and I both know it was not, and I had it confirmed by Gilbert Odd and Adam Pollack.He is a compulsive liar the only one I have so far encountered here.
     
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  3. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    LOL booohoo.


    No, the child is the one who gets jealous and butthurt over the fact that he cant have something he wants.

    I can talk about it all day long, can you? Besides what Ive told you you had no idea about any of that because one of us has actually studied those subjects and the other would rather just play at being an actual historian. One of us went to school for the subject and the other didnt go to school at all. Sorry chunky but the Marines isnt a school and its not exactly an exclusive club either. Some of the smartest people I know were Marines but some the dumbest most socially maladjusted people are as well. They dont exactly set the bar high, the military is after all the largest employer in the nation. just keep that in mind when you are trying to match wits with your betters and pretending that your service makes you anything special.

    Im not bragging about what I HAVE, Im reiterating what I have DONE. Two different things. You seem to be the one fixated on what I have, like the child you mentioned above.

    We both know who you are Greg. You arent fooling anyone. You think Id be scared to get in the face of some fatass brain dead dip**** who regularly lets his ass overload his mouth? Nope. But I wouldnt waste the money for a ticket on your dumbass. Ill let you come to me and then Ill introduce your front teeth (if you have any, toothless troglodyte comes to mind whenever I think of you)to the curb outside my house.


    Do I sound even remotely interested in Jeanette? Do I really, after getting your panties in a wad over me saying he was overrated and after telling you that one of the few books I got rid of was that make believe Jeanette book that I really would be jealous that you have some old scrapbook that Jeanette kept which only has the most favorable articles about him in it all of which can easily be found with either an internet connection or a library card? Really? I wouldnt **** on your scrapbook if it were on fire.
     
  4. mcvey

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    Jeannette may be the premier marathon fighter over 20rds and further.Johnson beat him over 15 rds.
     
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    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    We both know hes a liar. Like I said, he can go ahead and post from whatever he thinks is my list whatever he wants and I will immediately fire back and prove its not, he knows it so he is trying to redirect like he always does.
     
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    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    My reading about their bouts is that they were near mirror images like the first Jones - Hopkins bout .. it appears Johnson edged him and did score some flash knockdowns but every fight was very competitive .. how much of that is Johnson just doing enough to win I don't know.
     
  7. mcvey

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    One word started the ball rolling and all the vitriol followed .The word was, "overated".
    You would have thought Jeannette had been accused of being a cheat, a tank artist,a coward?
     
  8. he grant

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    There was also an inexcusably horrible insinuation made that should have someone banned for life. Karma.
     
  9. mcvey

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    I'd like to ask you in which areas do you think Jeannette was superior ,if any?
    The only possibility I can see is in stamina,but since Johnson at 37 went 26 rds with a giant in tropical conditions and was in front after 20 rds even that might be debatable.
    I contend that Johnson was the superior puncher,and boxer, that doesn't give Jeannette much of a window as far as I can see.

    Of course it's all down to personal opinion, and anyone holding the opposite view to me is as entitled to do so as I am to hold my views , but such hysterical, protective , over-reaction as we have experienced on this thread is ludicrous and absurd in the extreme.
     
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    I'm not saying he was better than Johnson at all .. I said Dempsey .. as far as Johnson everything I've read had their bouts razor close/extremely competitive.
     
  11. mcvey

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    I haven't implied you have, I just asked if you thought Jeannette was better in any department than Johnson?
    I don't think their series was that close.
    Fights, of which Jeannette won one on ,a foul in a fight that didn't
    last a full two rounds,and he had conclusively lost the first round. The best Jeannette could manage was a draw in one bout. Being dropped in several of the bouts doesn't appear they very competitive to me.
    Fight 1 3rds Jeannette dropped in each round so a conclusive win.
    Fight 2.Johnson wins the 1st rd easily but is dsq'd in the 2nd
    Fight 3.6rds Jeannette is floored 4 times.Johnson had fought Young Peter Jackson 10rds the day before.
    Fight 4.Johnson described as having a big lead.
    Fight 5.Neither fighter has an edge ,neither fighter tried to seriously hurt the other.
    Fight 6. Johnson is butted in rd 2 and suffers a bady cut eye, but wins.
    Fight 7.A draw.
     
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  12. dempsey1234

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    klompton2LOL booohoo.
    Strange reply, the manure has turned to diarrhea dont cry it's not manly.

    No, the child is the one who gets jealous and butthurt over the fact that he cant have something he wants.

    You have nothing I want, nothing at all maybe you are butthurt over the fact that I dont care what you have.

    I can talk about it all day long, can you?

    Yes I can, all day and some of the nite lol

    Besides what Ive told you you had no idea about any of that because one of us has actually studied those subjects and the other would rather just play at being an actual historian.

    Please I am confused who are you talking about? I never claimed to be a historian or wanting to be one. Anybody with internet can go into archives and find all the articles they crave. And for what I see from reading actual articles from the time you leave out relevant facts the shine a different light on things, you exaggerate, you DKSAB, you nitpick and cherry pick to support your manure agendas. A real historian gathers the facts and lays them out, they dont have to tell the reader what to think. I sure hope your book is different that what you post.

    One of us went to school for the subject and the other didnt go to school at all.

    Jeez what school did you go and what degree is "Historian", and can award a degree that makes you a "historian" on graduation?

    Sorry chunky but the Marines isnt a school and its not exactly an exclusive club either.

    What is it about the marines you dont like and what doess it have to do with anything?

    Some of the smartest people I know were Marines but some the dumbest most socially maladjusted people are as well.

    Let's change this statement to fit you. Some of the smartest people I know were true historians but some the dumbest most socially maladjusted people claim to be but are really pysstorians.

    They dont exactly set the bar high, the military is after all the largest employer in the nation.
    I guess the same, they set the bar real low for pysstorians like yourself.

    just keep that in mind when you are trying to match wits with your betters and pretending that your service makes you anything special.

    Go to a bar where there are people who actually served this country during a time of war and voice outloud your feelings about the military.
    You seem to be the brave sort, haha

    Im not bragging about what I HAVE, Im reiterating what I have DONE. Two different things. You seem to be the one fixated on what I have, like the child you mentioned above.

    O yes you are, who are you trying to fool?

    We both know who you are Greg. You arent fooling anyone.

    Boy, the wax in your ears is interfering with your thinking I am not Greg. But you can call me Greg if you want to, if it helps you vent. Unlike you who hides under many alts, why would a prestigious pysstorian like yourself have to hide???

    You think Id be scared to get in the face of some fatass brain dead dip**** who regularly lets his ass overload his mouth? Nope.

    Yes I do talk is cheap, yep!

    But I wouldnt waste the money for a ticket on your dumbass. Ill let you come to me and then Ill introduce your front teeth (if you have any, toothless troglodyte comes to mind whenever I think of you)to the curb outside my house.




    Do I sound even remotely interested in Jeanette? Do I really, after getting your panties in a wad over me saying he was overrated and after telling you that one of the few books I got rid of was that make believe Jeanette book that I really would be jealous that you have some old scrapbook that Jeanette kept which only has the most favorable articles about him in it all of which can easily be found with either an internet connection or a library card? Really? I wouldnt **** on your scrapbook if it were on fire.[/QUOTE]
     
  13. dempsey1234

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    Um, post relevant facts that have a bearing on what you are stating. You know Jennette was inexperienced when the fought he was only a pro for a yr and a half when he traveled 15 rds with Johnson and had 58 fights while Jennette

    Jennette turned pro 11/1904
    First Johnson fight May of 1905 -Jennette was 0-3 coming in, Johnson at this time, been a pro 7 1/2 yrs and had 38 pro fights.

    When Johnson and Jennette fought the 15 rdr, Jennette was a pro for 1yr and 4 months and had 18 pro fights Johnson had 58 pro fights. You also fail to mention that, that was Jennette's first 15rdr.

    Perfect example of what you do, leave out relevant information to make a "point"
     
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  15. dempsey1234

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    Crapper I am sorry I didnt finish commenting on your post. I will do so now>

    Do I sound even remotely interested in Jeanette?

    If you arent interested why are you posting?

    Do I really, after getting your panties in a wad over me saying he was overrated

    You are the one getting your panties in a wad cos over some guy you have a problem with, address me and comment on what I post, not some mystery guy that you are butt hurt over.

    and after telling you that one of the few books I got rid of was that make believe Jeanette book

    Again whatever the Jennette book the author has every right to publish, others may find it interesting. Since you done a copy n paste book no wonder you are in a tizzy, you lack the imagination and the writing skills to do so.

    that I really would be jealous that you have some old scrapbook that Jeanette kept which only has the most favorable articles about him in it all of which can easily be found with either an internet connection or a library card?

    same can be said of your copy n paste book

    Really? I wouldnt **** on your scrapbook if it were on fire.


    Ya see thats why you're a pysstorian haha

    Dont you realize how petty you're being, who cares but you. Psst prof of foolishness, one of the best books on boxing, is a book of fiction, based on facts, 'The harder they Fall'. But of course it really cant compare with your copy n paste book. How much would you honestly say is the percentage of your original thoughts in your book, 2%-10%, as opposed to your C&P?
    It might surprise you fiction books on boxing outsell non fiction books on boxing.
    Let me end this by saying if this Jennette book is published, fiction or non-fiction, it's good for boxing. So be jealous cos thats what you are showing, professor Copy n paste, haha