Does A Prime Marciano Beat The Joshua Of Today?

Yeah, I thought it was pretty good. Best heavyweight match up in years. Hopefully we see some more of that kind of action in the division. I look forward to seeing your speed bag vid, let me know when you got it up.

 

You're not sure? Maybe because that wasn't the point of the exercise? ps Don't bother with the video.[/QUOTE]

Wait, a smart member in a boxing forum? Good for you. But Marciano couldn't even beat a debuting Joshua or Wlad. Marciano never beat a modern sized heavyweight. Joe Louis was a natural 195 pounder. Walcott was 185 to 190, Charles was 175 and Archie Moore was a super middleweight in his prime. Ted Lowry and Roland LaStarza were both around 180 and most historians if not all believed they beat Marciano in their first fight.

I can't see Marciano making it out round 1 with Wilder, Joshua, Lewis, Tyson, Foreman and others. Unless they felt pity for slow 180 pound Marciano.

 

Wait, a smart member in a boxing forum? Good for you. But Marciano couldn't even beat a debuting Joshua or Wlad. Marciano never beat a modern sized heavyweight. Joe Louis was a natural 195 pounder. Walcott was 185 to 190, Charles was 175 and Archie Moore was a super middleweight in his prime. Ted Lowry and Roland LaStarza were both around 180 and most historians if not all believed they beat Marciano in their first fight.

I can't see Marciano making it out round 1 with Wilder, Joshua, Lewis, Tyson, Foreman and others. Unless they felt pity for slow 180 pound Marciano.[/QUOTE]

Those are all lies.

 

lol I know. There never has and never will be a 180lb world class fighter than can beat another world class fighter that weighs 250lb. It's rose tinted glasses isn't it. Wlad and Joshua would really make easy work of him, wouldn't be fare in the slightest

 

Ali struggled with Leon spinks
Frazier struggled with jumbo Cummings
Etc etc. All fighters struggle at the end of their careers with fighters they would've beat in their primes

 

Ater last night, we can answer this question a bit.

I believed the past 20 years, present and future will be ruled by skilled super heavyweights. Joshua is one of them. Maybe the wosrt of the lot ( Bowe, Lewis, and both Klitschko's ), but certianly one of them.

Wlad wasn't who he was in his prime. His accuracy was off, his velocity of this punches, not what it was, but he had enough left to outbox and test Joshua. And he did test him.

Does Marciano hit harder than the 41 years Wlad? I would say its about even. If Rocky had Joshua in trouble like Wlad did, he might finish him, but he's going to take a lot of punishment until he lands that fight aletering shot.

What has changed is we know Joshua does not have a glass chin and he has heart, which greatly dimisnes Marciano's puncher's chance. While I think Joshua's stamina is a little supect he did go 11 rounds in a tough fight.

So I'd favor Joshua as of today giving Marciano a shot to upset.

Sorry Marciano fans, that's just how I see it.

 

Wlad looked good. Better than he looked in his prime vs Povetkin , Peter , Ibrabamov etc.

The legs are the first to go and Wlads legs were better than his 27 y o counterpart. You can say he's 41 all day but the eye test shows a guy that looked in his early 30's.
What HW has ever looked that good at 41?
You picked Wlad to win and were confidant enough to make a few threads on it so lets cut away the excuses and give AJ some credit.
You think Wlad of before would have won? I say a non green more experienced AJ beats any Wlad.
What we saw was pre-prime vs past-prime therefore the playing field was even which is why it was a competitive fight.

 

It used to happen all the time. Look at the guys who Carnera and buddy Baer lost to. Abe Simon, Fred Fulton, jess Willard. There are many many examples. And don't go ridiculing those old giants. They were real Superheavyweights who earned their position, won big fights against good fighters and more and more film shows they could all fight too. They would rank as well today as they did then.

What has changed since then is many rules have taken away the fighting chance a smaller heavyweight once had with a giant. Holding, bigger softer gloves and shorter rounds all favour the giant now.

 

Never in a million years could Marciano beat the AJ of today.

 

180 lbs ? Marciano's best weight was 185-188 pounds. It's not a big difference but in this case is important.
41 years old slow glass-chinned klitschko could knock down Joshua easily and to me Anthony didn't look
so dangerous compared to his muscle mass plus Joshua showed stamina problems also( Marciano had great stamina).
True Joshua is big but he is far away from the perfection considering the boxing is nothing to do with
the bodybuilding.

 

The only way Marciano defeats Joshua is if....IF...he landed a right hand like Wlad did in the 6th round that put
AJ down, then Marciano would have done ape **** and gone after AJ until he was down and out. Say what you will about Rocky, but you can't say he didn't have a killer instinct. If he got you hurt, he took you out. Wlad has always been too cautious to go after a guy and that was his big mistake last night.

Otherwise, yeah, AJ wins. Probably on cuts; he cut Wlad last night.

 

I don't want to "ridicule" these giants of the past but from the little I have seen of Carnera for example I do not feel he/they would "rank as well today as they did then". They are closer to Valuev in ability than the elite SHW's like Bowe through to Joshua. The giants of the past did not possess the skills the more celebrated modern super-heavyweights do, there is a huge gulf in class between Carnera/B.Baer and the Klitschko's for instance.

 

Can someone please explain to me how going life and death with a 41 year old shell of his former self WK makes somebody an atg beater?