Does A Prime Marciano Beat The Joshua Of Today?

I brought up Klitschko's performance because you had mentioned aspects of Joshua's game you noticed in last nights fight. For example Joshua's stamina won't necessarily come into play versus Marciano because it did against Wlad (wouldn't last that long) or his chin wouldn't get tested the same (Rocky lands less, with less power).

I never responded to the posts I quoted as others had already dealt with the less absurd of them and the others I don't really feel were worth it.

I do agree with you that Joshua should focus on getting lighter, his stamina is clearly his achilles heel.

 

The size difference is enormous. It's silly even. but impossible? It's only impossible if 250lb NEVER lost to guys close to Marciano size. Marciano is from that era where it used to happen, he was the best of his own era by quite some margin. Why rule him out?

If it was size alone that beats Rocky how come he already beat a George Foreman sized heavyweight? Would that have happened if it was only about size?

Heavyweights of each generation are the size they are for the time they fought. For fighters of different generations to meet they have to exist together in an era where both can benefit from what was available in that era. A lot of stuff that makes a 250lb super heavyweight just wasn't available when Rocky fought. In order to fight in the 1950s Joshua has no access to to the conditions that demand the type of heavyweight he is and likewise for Rocky.

Take George Foreman. As big as he was, when he fought Joe Frazier George was still no bigger than the Joe Louis Rocky fought. Imagine that? A big man like Foreman being no bigger than Joe Louis. So it's the times that make a fighter as big or as small as he is and not necessarily Mother Nature. One era might make a fighter artificially smaller and another artificially bigger.

 

Joshua's stamina started to go to **** when he turned up the pressure. Since Joshua can't box a lick then he has to either match Marciano's punch rate or make Marciano miss which is extremely unlikely. Joshua physically can't move like that.

Marciano won't see major success against Joshua until Joshua starts to tire which WILL happen. Marciano is just to much of a high pressure fighter to not to. If Joshua had better stamina and was a bit faster then I would favor him but he is not sooo...

 

@choklab That is a very good point and one rarely took into consideration. It doesn't change the outcomes of these hypothetical match ups but is another valid explanation of later generations of heavyweights having the deck stacked in their favour.

Nobody is trying to downplay the accomplishments or dismiss the talent of Rocky Marciano. He achieved greatness in his era and Anthony Joshua in all probability will never surpass him in this regard.

 

Joshua is a superior boxer to Marciano.

 

Yeah and I'm taller than the shortest midget. So what?

 

You are arguing Marciano will beat Joshua because "he can't box a lick" - that's what. I think you just like getting into un-winnable arguments to pass the time.

 

If you think that is what my argument is based upon then you should just stop replying at this point.

 

Foreman used to dry out before his fights and come in the ring quite a few pounds heavier than on the scale, He could have easily been 225 when he was in the ring with Frazier

 

AKA he was filmed in color

 

He wouldnt have survived 11 if his stamina was a problem.Hes never went past 7 ( going the extra 4 is like going an extra 10 in a real fight if you havent) which shows he has stamina bc also taking klitchko punches arent going to do your stamina any favors. He tried finishing Wlad in rnd 5, Wlad caught him in 6 when he slowed and so on.......245 pounds would be a better weight anyway bc he will be faster. i believe he weighed more for punch resistance and possible clinching. Its not like he weighs the same every fight..he fluctuates to his opponents it seems.

 

No...
AKA He actually dried out before his fights and wouldnt get any water from his trainer Dick Sadler until hours before the fight, so he presumably weighed atleast a good 5 pounds more in the ring than he weighed on the scales.
Not sure what the point of that was but thats how his camp was run.
5 pounds is a quart and a half of water and a 16oz steak with some sides you think Foreman could manage to consume that between the weigh in and the fight? I sure do, and then some

 

To be honest I was just trying to throw DagoWop a bone since he is so, so wrong on everything, so I agreed with the stamina thing because it was the closest he has come to saying anything that makes any sense.
I understand Joshua will temporarily gas due to his size & punishment from Wlad, take some time to get energy back, then come back again. Like you said he couldn't have unleashed what he did in round 11 if he was spent.

 

This clown Dago above gets into debates like Lewis would be better at 6 ft tall than at 6'5....that should tell you something bc hes ACTUALLY serious!

As of this thread..well only a joker thinks its a fair fight and thinks Marciano even throws more punches than Joshua does or is capable of doing per round . Marciano was slow patient stationary fighter that had to be at his opponents chest bc he didnt have good skills.What do these guys think if Marciano took that approach with Joshua and tried breaking him down ,grinding him down on the inside?????????

Is he going to use his massive 185 pound frame to out match him? If Joshua didnt even train a full year he still would win ,maybe even 5....

 

Many fighters dried out prior to a fight not just Foreman. It was a common training protocol.