Wladimir Klitschkos Legacy

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  1. heizenberg

    heizenberg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Really pleased with the fight last night. It was a very good heavyweight battle with a historical significance and resulted in a changing of the guard of sorts.

    Joshua showed to me that he is no doubt a force to be reckoned with. Not only did he show what we knew he had which is great power, he displayed great character. I also thought that Joshua showed a good chin taking a number of solid shots from the very powerful Klitschko. It was also very impressive to see Joshua have the character to take off a number of rounds to regain his stamina and get the late round stoppage. I was very impressed and feel the future of the division looks bright and that perhaps heavyweight boxing may be at the forefront of boxing again where it belongs. I look forward to hopeful match ups involving Joshua, Wilder, Ortiz, Fury and Parker

    With all that being said about Joshua I want to focus on Klitschko and his performance. I thought Klitschko looked more lively then he has in years and more determined then I ever seen him. When he was knocked down the first time I was certain the fight was done. Klitschko throughout his career has at times shown and tendency to fold when in trouble. Instead Klitschko got up and fought even harder. It was great to see Wlad stand his ground while hurt and come back landing bombs of his own and putting Joshua on the deck. I feel like Wlad had Joshua in a lot of trouble and just had to put in on him a bit more in those mid rounds where Joshua was tired and maybe Klitschko could've got the stoppage. True to his forum though Klitschko stayed back and tried to set up a knock out shot instead of going after Joshua this allowed Joshua to regain his stamina. I feel at this stage in Klitschko career he needs to be more of puncher then a boxer. His boxing skills will always be there but now that he is older I feel its harder for him to capitalize on openings how he used to and he would be better to implement a more aggressive punching style something like Ali tried later in his career. It was evident that he clearly did a lot more then in other recent fights but still not quite enough especially in the mid rounds.

    Regardless I still give a lot of credit to Klitschko. I feel he gave his best effort and almost beat the guy I see as his toughest challenger hes faced not just modern day but out of anyone he faced in his career. Overall I think this fight doesn't tarnish Wlad's legacy and even brought him a level up in my books in the character category. I feel Wlad overall was one of the most physically gifted heavyweight champions of all time and had some of the best boxing skills to go with it. The areas he lacked in my opinion where his chin, his punch output and I used to say his heart. In the Joshua fight he showed heart like I haven't seen from him before. Even the way he got up from the two brutal knock downs in the 11th and still kept trying to fight. You could tell he really wanted it.

    Finally I'll say about Klitschko though I consider him in the top 10-15 range as far as all time heavyweight rankings as a person he has carried himself better then or as well as any champion I can remember. I see Klitschko as a true role model for myself as a boxer and contrary to what others say I've enjoyed watching him throughout his career- for the most part hes been excellent. I don't really wish to see a rematch I think it would be best if Klitschko either retires or maybe tries one more big fight for a title. I wouldn't count him out against some of the top heavies today still but he has lost a step. If this fight had taken place in the primes of there careers it could've been a lot different. I'd give Klitschko a much better chance of being able to knock out Joshua while I don't know how he'd response to adversity should he face it from a guy like Joshua earlier in his career.
     
  2. JoffJoff

    JoffJoff Regular Junkie Full Member

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    Great post, I agree with almost everything you have written in regards to Wladimir and last nights epic 'passing of the torch' fight against Joshua. I say almost because unlike yourself I am all for the rematch even though AJ will have learned from this experience and should prove even more formidable, I believe Klitschko would still have a good chance of avenging his latest defeat. In any case Wladimir Klitschko has went up in my estimation after last night with the manner of his performance, even if it was ultimately in defeat.
     
  3. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Top 8-11 for me. Could go up if AJ turns out real special.
     
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  4. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    When the dust settles I will find it hard not to have him in my top 10.

    Just some spontaneous thoughts:

    I think what the AJ fight taught me, was that Klitschko did indeed reign during an abysmal era.
    People made it out to seem that every promising contender was far better than guys of yesteryear, despite most people clearly seeing that they did not passi the "eye test."

    It took a decade for Klitschko to finally meet great opposition, and he did very very well. This was the fight we were all waiting for to discover who Klitschko really is. And he proved himself to be a great champion by putting on an excellent performance in a fight where he came in outmatched. He had to dig really deep, it stretched him out so to speak, making him not look like a robot, but a boxer.
     
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  5. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's interesting some fans how die for klitschko's last performance considering he lost by ko and he was down
    severeal times against an inexperienced fighter who showed poor stamina and a questionable chin .
     
  6. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    I think a lot of people in the know will agree that this last era was clearly abysmal. I'm not sure I saw any combinations thrown in any fight!! These "contenders" would pad their record, beat another undeserving contender, wait to get a high ranking and cash out with a title shot without any proper experience. It was unbelievably obvious.
     
  7. Jamal Perkins

    Jamal Perkins Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Byrd ,haye and peter were wlads stand out wins...as opposed to the weak Ee and shot americans mercer,Brewster,rahman...wlad is 41 now and inactive ,clearly he is not who he was 6 years ago ...but great champion and still a top 3 hw ...he is far from shot.well done AJ
     
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  8. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    The Wlad "era" also comprised like 3 or 4 generations of heavyweights. He's been fighting world class guys since the millennium. Guys like Joshua, Fury, Pulev, Jennings, etc weren't even professional when Wlad was a champion.

    Something to keep in mind for those who think it's been all trash since he's been on top and coincidentally better now that he's old and losing.
     
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  9. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    He's fought rated men that turned pro as early as 94 and as late as 2013. That's 19 years of fighters.

    His mid 90s peers were: Byrd, McCline, Brewster, Rahman, and Jefferson.

    circa 2000 class: Thompson, Brock, Peter, Chageav, Sultan, Chambers, and Haye.

    circa 2005 class: Povetkin, Wach

    circa 2010 class: Pulev, Fury, Jennings.


    And now Joshua who turned pro in 2013.
     
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  10. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I ve gotta be honest. I got in to heavy weight boxing tail end of the 70 s and have followed it through since. All during the 80 s and 90 s my interest never waned in the big guy s. But this past decade or so it's suffered. I respected wlad and his brother as boxers, but I hated the division for how it shaped up. The mediocre fights turned me right off and I, for the first time began to lose interest. That s changed for me these last few years. The division seems different, more variety, more potential to it. I believe and hope it's turned a corner. I can look back at the wlad - vitali era and respect it for its staying power, but I'm glad it's over and we're moving on. But respect to the klitschko s for been at the top so long. Think it's time now for this new era and hopefully people that gave up on the heavy s come on back in.
     
  11. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He ranks between spot 15 -16th. A dominant champ in a weak area, who was practically never in a good fight,
     
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  12. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I am not sure prime Wlad would have beaten Fury or the prime version of Johua ( I think Wlad fought a pre-prime version of Joshua).
     
  13. cleglue1

    cleglue1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wlad's legacy will fly low under the radar for years to come.

    Hasn't Wlad accomplished basically what Rocky Marciano did? minus the blemishes.
     
  14. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wladimir Klitschko has had the unenviable job of trying to compete in an era of few competitors and where the best (or next best) Heavyweight around, happened to be, for a lot of the time, his own brother. Regardless of the state of the division, however, Wlad didn’t really help himself with, for the most part, aesthetically painful performances that only his hardcore fanbase could garner any joy from watching.

    Wlad perfected his jab and grab style, with which he could dominate a series of contenders, without fear of his chin and stamina issues of the past reemerging. One might even suggest that Wlad was ultimately defined by his perceived weaknesses and a poor era.

    The longevity and dominance of his reign is undeniable and is of note, even in a shallow talent pool. But, the lack of a defining victory or true marquee name is what will take the sheen off - and a Top-10 ranking will be difficult to justify.

    It is then somewhat ironic that, in what could be his final fight, Wlad showed arguably more character than in any other of his previous contests. At age 41, against a much touted up-and-comer, it was as if we were watching a different Wladimir Klitschko - one who’d perhaps thrown all the cares and caution, which had been such a part of his championship career, to the wind.

    All of that said and, despite some of the deserved criticism, I think time will be kind to Wladimir Klitschko. He is a scholar and a gentleman, who has overcome clearly evident issues in order to grind his way into Heavyweight History - defining an era along the way.
     
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  15. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I really agree with everything you said.The analyze is on point.