Does A Prime Marciano Beat The Joshua Of Today?

lufcrazy · May 1, 2017

choklab said: ↑

Now you are being silly, Robinson only had to be 150 to fight 160 guys because there was no super welterweight. Robinson never scaled 160 in one fight then scaled 147 in his next fight.
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August 1950 he was 147, October 1950 he was 159. He changed his weight depending upon the assignment that faced him.

Another man who did similar is Archie Moore, he would routinely adjust his weight depending upon the foe he faced.

Carnera never beat a man as good the Wladimir Klitschko that Joshua beat.

reznick · May 1, 2017

Shoulder snap to drive power is a great size equalizer.
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Imagine Marcianos shoulder snap punching with his frame and style, holy moly. Joshua has a pretty big shoulder snap too but not quite the same level.

mcvey · May 1, 2017

choklab said: ↑

without fighting a guy with the pace of a 41 year old he might not have been able to get back into that fight. It so easily could have went the other way.

the effort of that explosive burst that initially hurt Wlad almost backfired! It took too much out of him and ended up getting decked himself.

this luxury of being able to change a fighters body to suit an assignment was not available before the 1980s.
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The underlined is correct he hit the wall and gassed,youth got him through, and the fact is that when he got up and was a Frank Bruno like target for some moments, Wlad was too arm weary to finish him .

mcvey · May 1, 2017

Mr.DagoWop said: ↑

All points are valid.

I doubt you ever met a puncher who hit as hard as Marciano. Marciano didn't hit hard for a 180 or 190 lbr, he hit hard for someone who even weighed 240 lbs. Marciano had above mediore defense and it would be even better against a slow 6'6 250 lb shw. It is much easier for Marciano to close the gap and land on Joshua than it would be for Joshua to land on Marciano who would be bobbing down to well below Joshua's waist.
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You think it would be easy for a man with a 68" reach to land on Joshua's chin?A short croucher has to come up out of that crouch to land on a tall opponents chin ,and as Jack Johnson said about his up coming fight with Burns,when he comes up out of that crouch I nail him.

N.B. Joshua beat Wlad with the uppercut,which is the best weapon to use against the croucher

mcvey · May 1, 2017

choklab said: ↑

The size difference is enormous. It's silly even. but impossible? It's only impossible if 250lb NEVER lost to guys close to Marciano size. Marciano is from that era where it used to happen, he was the best of his own era by quite some margin. Why rule him out?

If it was size alone that beats Rocky how come he already beat a George Foreman sized heavyweight? Would that have happened if it was only about size?

Heavyweights of each generation are the size they are for the time they fought. For fighters of different generations to meet they have to exist together in an era where both can benefit from what was available in that era. A lot of stuff that makes a 250lb super heavyweight just wasn't available when Rocky fought. In order to fight in the 1950s Joshua has no access to to the conditions that demand the type of heavyweight he is and likewise for Rocky.

Take George Foreman. As big as he was, when he fought Joe Frazier George was still no bigger than the Joe Louis Rocky fought. Imagine that? A big man like Foreman being no bigger than Joe Louis. So it's the times that make a fighter as big or as small as he is and not necessarily Mother Nature. One era might make a fighter artificially smaller and another artificially bigger.
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You don't think their respective weight was distributed differently? Foreman is 2 inches taller than Louis was, and has 2 inches of reach on him.

mcvey · May 1, 2017

mrkoolkevin said: ↑

Because Joshua is big, strong, mobile, agile, and powerful enough, with a long enough reach, to play whack-a-mole with Marciano's head if he tries to crouch and crowd him.

Other than that, it might work.
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Pretty compelling points!

mcvey · May 1, 2017

Mr.DagoWop said: ↑

Wait, a smart member in a boxing forum? Good for you. But Marciano couldn't even beat a debuting Joshua or Wlad. Marciano never beat a modern sized heavyweight. Joe Louis was a natural 195 pounder. Walcott was 185 to 190, Charles was 175 and Archie Moore was a super middleweight in his prime. Ted Lowry and Roland LaStarza were both around 180 and most historians if not all believed they beat Marciano in their first fight.

I can't see Marciano making it out round 1 with Wilder, Joshua, Lewis, Tyson, Foreman and others. Unless they felt pity for slow 180 pound Marciano.
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Those are all lies.[/QUOTE]
You've hurt my feelings now!

mcvey · May 1, 2017

GALVATRON said: ↑

Has anyone considered 41 year old Wlad demolishes Rocky anyway?Not sure HOW Wlad is being used as a measuring stick to determine how good Joshua stacks up? smh

Why would a Wlad or Joshua win prove ANYTHING on a 185 SLOW footed and puncher with 5 oz boxing gloves on decide if Joshua would or wouldn't win?? Really this is why most people cant differentiate whats actually logical with these fantasy type matches.

Joshua would BLAST Marciano before rnd 3 or sooner if he wasnt looking for rnds. Give me Joshua in his pro debut too.......and thats really the only fight where Marciano has a chance.
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The Wlad that fought Joshua would definitely give Marciano all he wanted!

mcvey · May 1, 2017

Mr.DagoWop said: ↑

Can someone please explain to me how going life and death with a 41 year old shell of his former self WK makes somebody an atg beater?
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Joshua is still improving, he isn't a great fighter yet and may never become one, but he beat a pretty good version of Wlad imo.I haven't seen Wlad look as good as that for a few fights.

mcvey · May 1, 2017

Mr.DagoWop said: ↑

Speed - Marciano
Chin - Marciano
Strength - Joshua
Stamina - MARCIANO
Ring IQ - Marciano
Power - About even
Resume - Marciano
Mobility - Joshua
Defense - Marciano (Joshua looked like a cat lol)
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Marciano was knocked down a 40 years old light heavyweight ,we never saw him hit by a 250lbs banger who was a class fighter so his chin against one is unproven.imo.

choklab · May 1, 2017

lufcrazy said: ↑

Carnera never beat a man as good the Wladimir Klitschko that Joshua beat.
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George Godfrey?

choklab · May 1, 2017

mcvey said: ↑

we never saw him hit by a 250lbs banger who was a class fighter so his chin against one is unproven.imo.
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We never saw Carnera lose to a SHW either. Primo was unbeaten against those guys.

choklab · May 1, 2017

mcvey said: ↑

the fact is that when he got up and was a Frank Bruno like target for some moments, Wlad was too arm weary to finish him .
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Exactly, having shot his bolt, josh was an eyelash away from being demolished at that moment. He was fortunate it was a 41 year old guy trying to capitalise on him.

Birmingham · May 1, 2017

choklab said: ↑

It used to happen all the time. Look at the guys who Carnera and buddy Baer lost to. Abe Simon, Fred Fulton, jess Willard. There are many many examples. And don't go ridiculing those old giants. They were real Superheavyweights who earned their position, won big fights against good fighters and more and more film shows they could all fight too. They would rank as well today as they did then.

What has changed since then is many rules have taken away the fighting chance a smaller heavyweight once had with a giant. Holding, bigger softer gloves and shorter rounds all favour the giant now.
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Give me an example of two elite ones please ???

mrkoolkevin · May 1, 2017

choklab said: ↑

George Godfrey?
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Was as good as Wladimir Klitschko?

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