Does A Prime Marciano Beat The Joshua Of Today?

Yes he is a product of modern training absolutely. I agree with most of what you said, im not comparing greatness or saying Joshua would be the same in the 50s or Marciano the same today, and he is not better than anyone who came before. I dont care for Joshua at all actually, because of the way he acts in public. It doesnt seem authentic and it rubs me the wrong way. But if a 185 or 190 pound man with 67 inch reach with questionable defense, slow feet, a guy who was been dropped by people his own size, comes to Joshua he isnt going to win. Thats just a fairytale.

 

Most champions in history would beat most of Joshua's resume, it's incredibly shallow.

Joshua isn't that nice he's a former drug dealer.

Picking him to beat a man 60 pounds lighter than him isn't jumping the gun, it's common sense.

I would also expect Golovkin to beat Miguel Canto.

 

His past doesnt bother me at all but the way he is present in public bothers me. Like eating something too sweet. Joshua as a person is probably not at all how he is presented. I understand that they are trying to market him but "fake behavior" like that always makes me sick. Mike Tyson and Floyd Mayweather already proved that a black fighter can sell huge amounts of PPV while being the "villain" so I dont understand why they are trying to give Joshua this ultra sweet nice boy Image. The Guy knocks people out. Let him be himself. The nice guys i know that tried boxing stopped and apologized after hurting the other guy, Joshua is obviously not like that. But thats just me, i appreciate authenticity

 

Walcott was 38 years old, in terrific shape, champion, and had recent knockout win and decision win over Ezzard Charles. Faaaar different from the Wlad Klitschko who had not been in the ring for 1.5 years and was CLEARLY past it against Joshua.

 

So his record is "incredibly shallow" by your own admission. A large part of that 60 pound weight difference is artificially achieved due to the era joshua fights in. Add that to the fact that in times gone by giants used to get chopped down routinely in this division and it leaves the only common sense thing of any of this is, that one guy is an ATG the other is a 19 fight work in progress.

I remember all the hasty threads about David Haye and Luis Ortiz beating all time greats. People need to calm down and be patient. I am man enough to stand corrected when and if Joshua reaches these heights but until then let's just enjoy a prospect having his coming of age victory over a former champion.

If I was around when Marciano beat Louis I would have argued it's much too early to talk him up just yet. A lot of boxes needed to be ticked beyond that point for Rocky as well. But that's why we have patience in these matters. Just let things pan out.

 

You would have to know the future to know he is still improving which you do not. If Wlad looked that good that is your opinion and you are entitled to it but the facts are Wlad's legs were gone after the first couple rounds. They weren't doing much good while they lasted.

 

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For the record I didn't say that. Idk why I was quoted.

 

So why would anyone pick Rocky, joe Louis and Jack Dempsey to beat Primo Carnera then?

 

Johnson shares has nothing in common with Joshua stylistically
Burns shares has nothing in common with Marciano stylistically

You'd think that he knocked out Klitshcko out of nowhere by the way you make it sound. The fact is Klitschko was on his way out and was practically out on his feet when the uppercut hit him.

For the record Marciano knocked out plenty of guys with an overhand right which is the best weapon to use against a taller fighter.

 

The fact is Kovalev hasn't beaten anyone nearly as skilled as Robinson that was within 10 years of his prime.

 

It's not an admission, it's a fact.

I wouldn't expect Robinson to beat Marciano despite being a better fighter.

Joshua right now is the number 1 HW in the world. Comparisons with past champions are natural.

 

Carnera was not very good, the fact that he beat some guy that were 60 pounds lighter than him only proves how much size matters if a guy like that could win the title. Thats just my opinion based on what i saw. And i believe if you take a good boxing trainer and he somehow didnt know who he was watching he would think its a very good smaller guy(Baer) beating up on some Big Bum. The pawing Jab attempts from Carnera that Baer eventually comes over with a right actually still make me chuckle.

 

That's because guys like Mayweather and Pacquiao would be foolish to fight him.

Marciano never beat anyone as good as Robinson neither but I would expect him to destroy sugar

 

But Primo was very good against men his own size. Unbeatable in fact against SHW fighters of his day. Rated ones. The record bares this out. Who are we to say 250lb men were not as good as 250lb men today when the 190lb men were better then than now. The 175lb men better then than now and so on and so forth? How can it be? What's the difference?

 

A lot of people rate Ezzard Charles pound for pound as good as anyone. His resume is astonishing.