Prime Mike Tyson vs the Joshua of today?

Tyson by brutal R1 KO

 

Bowe never changed his skill sets other than throwing less after the Holyfield fights.

Joshua has a Tyson/Lewis like style,you wont see ANY guy over 230 replicate punches like Joshua does ,he throws 5 punch inside combos at 250 bobbing and weaving under his opponents setting himself in place for the next barrage if neccessary. ..i would say thats Tyson all the way.He also utilizes the explosive footwork where he keeps just enough distance to hit you and not get hit,he doesnt try and stay to far witha long jab much,he does all the damgae coming in at close range,this is small man boxing more than big man which makes him that more dangerous bc hes 6'6.

Bowe always got outboxed by Tony Tubbs as example in sparring bc he was to slick and had a long jab and moved well....he won some rnds in the 10 rnder...joshua is a boxer/puncher aggressive....Bowe would be in trouble with a guy like that if he didnt have the size advanatge ...and he wouldnt.

 

prime tyson agressive defense and body shots would gas Joshua fairly fast in my opinion

 

Also to add to this what seperates Joshua from Bowe and a say Lewis was he doesnt rely on outsizing his guys as much as they did he then imposes skills skills as they did ...he actually does the opposite and is first a smart boxer than utilizes his physical attributes. Hes countering shots picking shots thinking,doing positioning setting himself up to get the angle,not just hovering over guys like they did trying to out phyical them,if you notice he doesnt clinch much or get into ref seperations much either...thats why hes better,he destroys you with speedy combos and one shot ending punches.

 

I know you are super high on Joshua but I am still quite surprised you see him as better than Lewis in particular already. It may just be his physique but to my eye AJ looks less natural and fluid with his shots than Lewis or Bowe, his jab almost exclusively used for maintaining distance or establishing range, I suppose the jab thing makes sense when I consider your description of how AJ doesn't fight like a typical big man.

Who (if anyone) would you favour to defeat the AJ we saw on Saturday?

 

Lewis was struggling to k.o undersized journryman at Joshuas stage now....he was almost floored by Briggs and was floored by another guy ( unimportant fighter),hes been rattled with fast starters and was knocked out twice even if he avenged them. Lewis fighting Joshua would be like giving Bowe a bit more skills and Bowe and Lewis were about even at their peaks though lewis could handle bigger guys better.

If any fight proved this its saturdays bc Wlad was at his best and a smarter Joshua would have ended it sooner. lewis would have to clinch Joshua to slow him down and joshua would fire up those inside shots just like he did when Wlad tried to clinch and land those uppercuts...hes to strong to clinch.

80's Mike Tyson and Vitali would be favored slightly...but again i saw a different Joshua one who if he fights smart is near unbeatable.keep in mind hes only gone past 7 once....hes going to get alot better,

 

Dan,

You are being argumentative and have missed my initial point.

Just about every guy he beat had a significant size advantage over him. He weighed 220 pounds, and he was only 5'10, with a 71" reach.

Frank Bruno is about 6'3, with an 82" reach, who was about 30 pounds heavier.

Was that not a significant size advantage?

My point was: A perfect blend of skills and style can overcome even huge size disparities. And being much bigger than your opponent isn't always a huge advantage.

Mike would have had a real chance of beating Joshua, despite Joshua being significantly bigger. Why? Because he had the speed and the style to get inside of his defence to cause damage.

To completely write him off due to the size disparity is just ignorant.

 

Come on now, Mike was shot when Lennox fought him. He couldn't even beat Williams 2 years later.

How many SHW's did Mike face?

Sure, you can say he didn't beat any. But you have to note that he never had the opportunity pre-prison, and just because he never beat any, it doesn't mean he couldn't have done.

 

Good post, Loudon, this and your one right next to it. I suspect that AJ would beat prime Tyson due to a combination of his size and other top attributes, but I'd fully admit I could be wrong. Of all smaller fighters, he's got the qualities to overcome size advantages the best.

 

I would say Tyson by KO not later than the 3rd round

 

Tucker, Bonehugger, Bruno, Ruddock Golata,hell even Saverese or Stewart were 'big"..........they all were ko'ed or lost loopsided decisions. The bigger they are the less they can deal with the hand /foot speed Tyson possessed., combine that with genuine one punch KO power . excellent defense capabilities plus a awesome chin you have the recipe of a Giant Killer.

The problem is/was he would have to stay on top of his game aka being fine tuned to the max all the time but he fell off right after the Spinks blow out, the train was definitely de railing.

Prime Tyson ko's both of last weekend fighters. Fact. 41 year old WK would go to sleep within a couple of rounds.

 

I am not being argumentative, nor have I dismissed Tyson in this fight AT ALL. In fact, if you read any of my posts, you would know I said perhaps he could pull of a UD win with his speed like he did against the 6'5 Tony Tucker. The problem is that if someone tells the truth, that Mike wasn't nearly as effective against "Super Heavyweights", Tyson lovers assume you're a hater and start bitchin all over the place. You've posted things that are demonstrably false to back up your argument. Tyson was out weighed by Bruno by 10 POUNDS in the 1989 fight. Not "about 30". He also did fight a few decent "super heavyweights" before Prison. James Smith(UD win in 12), Toney Tucker(UD win in 15), James Douglas(KO loss in 10), Razor Ruddock (Controversial TKO win in 7, UD win in 12).
As you can see, he actually did get decent results, but my initial point that Mike isn't gonna run over a guy like AJ in a round or two is solid and backed up by Mikes actual record, not his "mythical" legend. And if you have a different opinion, hey, that is fine. It is a little offputting though when you LIE to back up your opinion.

 

Haven't read all your exchanges on here, so I must be missing something? You both seem reasonable and mostly in agreement with each other based on this last page.

 

He is going to run over the green AJ who had to get off the deck to TKO a 41 year old Mummy while being gassed for the better part of the fight.

At this stage AJ vs Tyson is like Tyson vs Bruno. Bruno had a ram rod jab followed by a hard right and was strong as a ox............yet Tyson pulverized him in the first encounter while not firing on all cylinders.

 

I I think it is because I pointed out how Mike wasn't nearly as effective I get very large heavy weights, some people assume that I said he has no chance when I did not say that at all. My points are this...
1. Twin sister that Mike would blow out AJ in a round or two, like some have insisted on this thread, seems absurd to me since Mike's own play record indicates that he can't really do it. He was a very hard puncher, yes, but those punches don't affect a gigantic head the same way they do a normal size head.
2. Perhaps Mike could beat Joshua by late TKO or UD, but it is my opinion that he would be the underdog to do so. Sorry if that hurts feelings but you are free to disagree.
3. While Mike was busy wasting his physical prime and not fulfilling his potential, there was a guy named Evander Holyfield who was actually the best fighter at heavyweight throughout most of Mikes career. I give Holyfield a better chance to beat AJ (albeit by UD), than I do Tyson. This is based on Evanders record against so called "super heavyweights".