Prime Mike Tyson vs the Joshua of today?

"AJ would kill a prime Mike whose best win was a shot mummy it took him 4 close rounds to ko and who struggled to decision the best big man he faced, Tony Tucker, who had a broken hand."

See what I did there?

Both AJ and Mike had atg starts to their careers, but Mike's whole career has obviously proven more to this point. How bout you try to stay respectful to everyone's accomplishments?

 

Ha Ha....Joshua's Chin would never stand up.!!!

 

I agree with #1 and 2, but not 3. I personally think Mike had a better career than Holy, and that Mike's style was more likely to beat shws than Holy. For me, Holy was 0 for 6 against the top ten shws he faced(Lewis twice, I scored all three for Bowe and Valuev). Generally, if you're fighting at a size disadvantage, power is a much better equalizer than movement. Historically, dominant hw champs have been bigger and or more powerful than average. Smaller and quicker has never worked, unless you count Holyfield.

But you seem reasonable, looks like I generally agree with you, and you're welcome to your own opinion.

 

Questions asks if a 'Prime' Tyson would beat Joshua, not the Tyson that fought Lewis. Pre prison Tyson would take Aj out in first 3/4 rounds. Aj would get caught by the 3rd or 4th as he is too open, Tyson would finish him ate the point. Aj in future could be very different.

 

Dan, you have a lot of knowledge and I enjoy reading your posts. But your opening post in this thread was silly.

The TS has asked who we think would have won between the version of Joshua we saw on Saturday, vs the best versions of Mike that we saw in the 80's.

Instead of you saying that you think Mike would have struggled, your response was:

Now that response implies that Mike would have had zero chance, as obviously Manny could never even dream of beating Sergey.

My point was: History as proven that Mike was able to overcome huge disparities in size to beat world class fighters.

Manny beating Sergey is completeley unrealistic. In fact: It's ridiculous. Whereas Mike beating Joshua wouldn't have been.

I agree with a lot of what you've said, but again: your opening post was just silly.

What lies have I told? Fair enough regarding Bruno's weight in 1989. But I think it was closer to 30 pounds in 1996.

What do you class as a SHW? What's the criteria?

I don't think that Mike would have ran over him in a few rounds. My only gripe was your Manny-Kovalev comment, that implied to me that Mike wouldn't have had a chance.

 

These are all very good points. They are fair, and they are backed up with good, logical evidence to support them. Which again, just leaves me scratching my head regarding your opening post.

 

So what's "prime" Mike going to do when 250 lbs of muscle hug him down? Pull a rabbit out of his magic hat? Pull a gun?

Prime Mike gets tied down and destroyed just like post-prison Mike did. Nothing changes.

 

How do you know he'd have been tied down?


What we know for certain, is:

Mike was a much better fighter in the 80's, to the one who fought Lewis.

Mike at his best, fully focused and fighting to his full capabilities, would have had A CHANCE.

 

Explain to me how Mike's skill or youth helps him NOT to be tied down by 6"5 Lewis who had 45 lbs on him and weeks of dedicated training with Manny Stewart with the specific goal of tying Tyson relentlessly. Stewart was on record saying "Mike won't be able to land on the inside, we prepared for that". And they did. If you say 'better stamina' or 'more physical strength' I will point out the fact that Mike was tied down with 100% effectiveness by Lewis in from the very first round -- when Mike's energy and stamina were at their peak.

You keep up bringing vague arguments like "he wasn't in his prime" but you do little to argue to the point.

 

A gassed out AJ gets taken out by Tyson around the 6th or 7th round. Mikes killer body shots would break Joshua.
He hasn't the stamina or endurance to compete with Mike or the work rate to launch a sustained attack to take him out.

There's really no logical argument for a Joshua win here. Maybe i a few years , but not now.

 

I can see now how somebody could read my initial post and assume I was implying that Mike has 0 chance. Let me clarify again that is not what I was trying to express with that post. I was trying to give a visual representation of how ridiculous the size disparity is. Come to think of it, it's a fairly decent fight style representation as well, especially since Manny is left handed like Mike(although Tyson did fight standard, his best punch imo was the left and he is, in fact left handed, but I digress)
Wlad Klitschko vs Jean Marc Mormeck is a near perfect example of the size disparity as well. I am in no way implying that Jean Marc Mormeck is Mike Tyson. Or am I implying that Joshua would cautiously slap Tyson around for a few rounds before easily smashing him to the floor to in order to prevent boring himself to death

 

You make solid points, but you have to admit Evander did do much better in Bowe II and Lewis II than he did in the first fights, so perhaps he'd have a much better chance in a second mythical fight with Joshua. That sounds pretty absurd now that I typed it. Also, I don't really hold Holyfields highly questionable loss to Valuev against him any more than I hold Mikes loss to Kevin McBride against him.

 

You're too much.

What a terrible post.

Their 2002 fight doesn't tell us how a fight from years earlier would have turned out.

I don't care what Manny said. Mike was awful at that stage. He was fighting purely for the money. He didn't even look like the fighter who'd fought Evander, let alone the versions from the 80's. He was static in comparison.

The answer to your question, is: Movement.

The bob and weave style, the head movement and the combinations. All of which were redundant by 2002.

We're talking here about 2 completely different fighters.

I'm not saying he'd definitely have beaten Lennox. I could definitely envisage a scenario where Lennox would have won. But it's ignorant to assume that an earlier fight would have played out like the one we saw in Memphis.

 

Fair enough. But you can see why I typed out what I did.

The size disparity between Mike and AJ would have been huge. But again, history has shown that Mike could overcome them.

I think a fight with Joshua would have been very intriguing.

 

Thread should have had a poll.

Hard one for me to predict this one, one thing I would be confident about would be the judges wouldn't be necessary.