Wladimir Klitschkos Legacy

Oh, the thread you got destroyed in. Me and several others still have it saved to favorites, next time you want to ask a question that has been answered 10,000 times.

An old woman is no position to challenge anything. You lost your manhood in this thread. It's not coming back.

 

undeniable top 10 heavyweight ATG

 

He is slightly past his prime but not too far , he is still nearly as good as he was in his prime and therefore it was a great win for AJ.

I have said in another post that Tyson Fury is his Ken Norton and he would always have problems with him.

By the way , i'm not a Klitschko fan , i was cheering for AJ.

 

Going to challenge this:

Wlad made only five voluntary defenses with Steward. Wlad was one of the few Champions that used his voluntaries to secure credible big fights.

Calvin Brock-A deilberate showcase opponent but a credible one, he was rated top 10 by RING.
Sultan Ibragminov-WBO Champion/Unification Garden Fight
Ruslan Chageav-was WBA Champion when fight was made, for RING title, Lineal Title in some circles.
David Haye-WBA Champion/Unification Super fight
Jean Marc Mormeck-Definitely an easy tune up fight after surgery.

Vitali was active 2008 to 2012. Wlad/Steward alliance was 2004-2012.

So what happened from 2004-2008:

Peter(conscious #2 Heavy 2006-2008 and future WBC Champion)
Byrd (IBF title)
Brewster II (revenge fight)
Sultan (WBA unifcation)
Thompson(Rating mainstay)

Those are some critical wins.

From 2008-2012 Wlad and Vitali share a win over Peter

Wlad faced the cream of the division:
Chageav
Haye
Chambers


Vitali beat Gomez, Arreola, and Adamek. Only Adamek was in high standing. So who are were these threats that Vitali thinned the ranks of?

Adamek was Wlad's turned mandatory but faced Vitali instead.

The impression most of us had at the time was that Wlad was fighting the top guys, unifing the titles, while Vitali beat up the WBC mandatories, which weren't a good batch or in high standing.

 

"Bu.. Bu.. But Wladimir is only tall and big doe!!"

Nevermind he beat a 290lb heavyweight to get gold in 1996 (wasn't a gift gold either ) and has knocked out and beat boxers just as tall, taller and bigger.

It's mainly just lowlife TURDS who are going out of their way to try and discredit him. But as usual... they are making themselves out to look even dumber than we thought they are.

 

Its the same old story with these people, Jack Johnson was past prime when he got knocked out by Jesse Willard. Joe Louis was past prime when he got knocked out by Marciano. Lennox Lewis was past prime when he got outboxed on the score cards by a Vitali only 5 years younger. Roy Jones was past prime when he got beat by Joe Calzaghe, who was also past his best by the way. The same story for Kovalev and Hopkins, Hopkins was past his prime when Kovalev beat him. Yet when somebody tries the same form of logic with Wlad or any other fighter that they dont like the reasoning goes out the window and they try to discredit them. ESB is full of lower income, unemployed bums.

 

Calvin Brock was heavily dropped by McCline a fight or two prior to the Wlad fight. Actually, he KOed Zuri Lawrence right before the Wlad fight, then HBO & co. we're trying to sell him as some kind of extreme knockout threat (Wlad was under contract with that network at the time and Steward also worked on the commentary team as a side job).

Like Sultan Ibragimov, etc... Calvin Brock faded into "Bolivian" after cashing in his chips. At least Iggy managed to grab a strap (from a listless Briggs, nonetheless)... though he was too small to really be as effective against truly good Super heavyweights.

Ironically, Brock frustrated Wlad with a bit of movement and made him very uncomfortable prior to finally being hit on his weak Chin and dispatched. While he landed some awkward body shots in there, Brock couldn't mount any other offense due to his slow handspeed and the problems he had with Wlad's size advantage.

People are trying to overrate "mister boxing banker" now, but he'd be destroyed by the current crop of Super Heavies that are emerging. Just imagine what a guy like Fury would do to him -- it would be a boxing clinic. Ortiz and (the currently green) AJ would both stop Brock early. I'm not even sure if he'd beat Dillian Whyte or current Dereck Chisora either.

 

Exactly. Those people are dumber than rocks and really don't see any problem
With their hypocrisy. Their boy BARELY survived a 41 year old Wlad coming off a loss and 18 month layoff.

Just like they never gave Calzaghe, Kovalev or Marciano full credit... Those Turds won't see full credit towards their new juiced up hero Bottom line... that WASN'T prime Wlad in there.

 

I would say a 'tomato can' is any fighter with noticeably weak or declining skills - although, I've often seen the term applied to a fighter without a name and total no-hopers - so, I take your point. But, it's down to how an individual perceives a fighter's skills or reputation, in terms of whether or not they want to described them as 'cans'.

Personally, I wouldn't use that term to describe the boxers in question but, then again, I wouldn't go overboard about any of them, either. And, I certainly wouldn't use a select list of nice names that they beat in some other timeframe and circumstance, so as to somehow beef up their quality; which is what you did and why I couldn't resist the 'code for...polish a turd' line.

They were nothing to write home about and its why you'll find that no rational pundit/scribe/historian will refer to a 'marquee win', when describing Wlad's reign.

 

Top 10 heavyweights of all time :

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Mike Tyson
5. Wladimir Klitschko
6. Larry Holmes
7. Evander Holyfield
8. Vitali Klitschko
9. Rocky Marciano
10. George Foreman

I have considered their resumes and h2h in my list , Wlad is a top 5 heavyweight ATG , no doubt about it.

 

Wlad's legacy: I finally fought like my big brother and it was my best performance ever!
Me: Yeah!! Great job Wlad! You won me over!
Vitali: stfu
Me: Yes, sir.

 

Well put, particularly the bolded area.

It's possible that revisionist history could someday lead to some "irrational" punditry down the line. In the end, it might come down to personal bias and/or agendas as time passes.

 

How many Heavyweight resumes did you assess, in forming this list?

 

It's funny, because I have considered this might end up being the case, in future, as well. However, try as I might, I look at Wlad's ledger and cannot find the fiction to make it anything more than it reads.

I think the scribes will always aim at the length of reign and make a meal out of the long, long list of opponents; the unwritten assumption being that 'they must have been good because they were title fights'.

I pity the first scribe, who tries to make much more out of it than this.

 

It was off the top of my head , maybe i would change a little bit if i would think about it longer but not that
much , i didn't consider the guys from 100 years ago because they would likely lose to everyone in my list.