Is the left jab of Carlos Monzon, the best jab in middleweight history?

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  1. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "If you have a good right hand, it can take you around the block...if you have a good left jab...it can take you around the world"

    Broad statement with the thread title...considering middleweight history.
    But also considering how Monzon utilized that left jab...is the statement that far off?
     
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  2. juppity

    juppity Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Argument is strong for Hagler. It was when in southpaw like having
    a sledgehammer rammed in you face. Ask Caveman Lee.
    The power jab at 2.03 sec is brutal .
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  3. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'd say the discussion begins and ends with SRR.
     
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  4. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Paul Pender & Joey Giardello also had great jabs.
     
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  5. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Any weight division he was in Hearns is at the top of the list. Incredible jab
     
  6. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Monzon s jab was good, it broke through a good defence to open them up. But hearns jab Is up there to. It was thrown with a vicious mean streak. Look what it did to barkley s face in the first couple of rounds.
     
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  7. juppity

    juppity Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Barkley needed plastic surgery after Hearns first fight despite winning.
    Hamsho required 53 stitches after first fight and Minter face was also
    mince meat after Hagler fight.
     
  8. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    That's the sign of a great jab jup. It can win a fighter half the battle if employed correctly.
     
  9. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Monzon had a great jab..he had that long reach, and nobody fought taller and utilized their reach any better...and that's what made Monzon's jab so good. Hearns, Giardello, Hagler all had great jabs as well. I personally think Monzon's was up there at the top with them...he had a hypnotic quality to his jab because it seemed inevitable and the opponent was lulled by it until the right came right behind it all of a sudden.
     
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  10. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I once saw Archie Moore on tv being interviewed..he was asked what was the most important punch in boxing, and he said "the jab,..the left jab. It sets up everything."
     
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  11. jowcol

    jowcol Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No I don't think Carlos had the best jab in MW history; it was simply one of his many attributes, given his physicality, that allowed him to dictate his fight against, virtually, anyone you put in front of him. To paraphrase one of my favorite movies, "Shane". Joey, in the bar, said: "but there's too many Shane". Well when you look at the King Carlos complete package there were too many (attributes!) to deal with.
    I can understand a lot of youngsters on board (and older posters too) that might see him as 'unexciting' at times? I don't think I've ever seen a fighter so in control of a fight from the first bell. Boring? Sometimes but he simply seemed to be biding his time. It always impressed me when, in the middle of an early round Carlos 'snooze fest', he suddenly landed one of his patented 'bombs' and the opponent was suddenly on q u e e r street and the 'human corvette Carlos' shifted into 4th gear and ended the proceedings!
    Lastly: Ray Robinson was the greatest fighter that ever stepped through the ropes!! But...he may not have been a better Middle than Carlos. To Ray's credit, his late fifties MW scraps were fantastic given that he had come out of retirement and was having his success long past his prime!
    In closing: IMHO had Ray & Carlos been born later and hit prime in the middle of all these matchup threads, you'd be looking at the #1 Welter of all time and the #1 Middle of all time. I think we already are!!
     
  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    :ARMS1:jowcol, it's a shame that there isn't a "I love this post" option..."Like" just don't cut it. All i can add is that there may have been faster and harder jabs than Monzon's..."more artistic" jabs, but so what? Monzon's jab worked, and it was part and parcel of his strategy from fight to fight. Monzon's greatest attribute wasn't any particular part of his arsenal, speed, power or even strength, although he was considered a very strong middleweight (who was able to impose himself on him?) No, the greatest asset Carlos Monzon had was his boxing brain. Like jowcol said so well,..Carlos wasn't particularly exciting...no, he fought coldly and with great control, unlike probably any Latin great of history, save Salvador Sanchez. The jab worked just great in a hypnotic sort of way, as I posted earlier,...until that moment when the gears got changed and the opponent got owned.
    I agree totally with you about SSR/Monzon, in that Robinson was indeed the greatest fighter there never was....but Monzon was the greater middleweight champ...and I've always said that Carlos would have beaten Ray by decision (interestingly enough, Mike Tyson said the same thing), as he had the exact style, physical attributes and temperament to do so. Unspectacular, but coldly effective. I won't say any more, except to say that I haven't said anything any better than @jowcol did.
     
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  13. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hagler's jab was one of the greatest ever. I don't know if it was better, or Monzon's, but it was outstanding.

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  14. TBI

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    It is if that means the most successful middleweight jab in history.
     
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