Does A Prime Marciano Beat The Joshua Of Today?

That thought process itself isn't specifically what's mental.

It's the fact that Fury beat him whilst champion, got no credit by the mainstream, fell into depression and retired. Compare that to Joshua beating a man over 40, coming off a loss, with over a year inactivity, in a much more competitive fight and yet Joshua is seen as the next great HW and has been touted as the first boxing billionaire.

It's a mental situation. I can talk because I'm a sucker for hype myself but looking at the black and white of the situation is mental.

 

Great post but didn't guys like Rocky do strength and conditioning?
Lifting big rocks, chopping trees and stuff?

 

Tbh it hasn't been there for a long time, watching some of his earlier footage makes you realise how much he has regressed.

 

We just love seeing fighters getting KTFO it's as simple as that.

 

You would havw to favour Joshua, too big and too strong. Now saying that the one thing that would make this fight interesting is stamina. Joshua was blowing out of his arse when he hurt klitschko in that fifth round, now Marciano on the other hand could throw punches all day long and still have the fitness to keep on throwing without slowing down in the 15th round. Marciano had problems with technical fighters, fighters that were slick. Ali for example would of outboxed Marciano easily.

 

Not really pal. It was pretty clear very very early on fraudley was fighting the epitomy of bums...he didnt come close to fighting anyone.

Also it was very apparent there was no arrsehole in audleys work.poor power poor technique and rarely in great shape ....wheras with Aj he has already fought and beat somebodies up to the wlad fight...martin,whyte and brezeale are b level fringe top 20 guys

 

Rocky wouldn't even be in the same weight class unless he bulked up drastically, how he would perform with added muscle is anybody's guess. He could max out his size potential but he still woukd be much smaller than Joshua.

 

Yet Until he fought the 41 year old wlad klitschko, Anthony's cast of opponents were exactly the same guys, only there was less of them. Eric molina and the mighty Charles Martin??

 

Of course he can get tired. The chances are Marciano would lose, i'm 99% certain on that, what i'm saying is that the only chance I would give Marciano is that Joshua seems to get tired easily. He's been hurt by Whyte and Wladimir, and both times he was all over the place. Regardless of size, Marciano can punch, and he does have better stamina than Joshua. In heavyweight boxing anything can happen. It only takes one punch to cause a huge upset.

 

Why are you trying to single out Sugar? Plenty of commentators and boxing journalists described Marciano with such terms during his fighting days.

It would be completely pointless. You would simply rationalize or romanticize even the most embarrassing Marciano clips that anyone posts. Doubt anyone in this forum still imagines that mere visual evidence could shake your deep-seated faith and devotion, in matters like this.

 

Yes but wood chopping, lifting rocks, shadow boxing in water is traditional, wholesome stuff. Nobody was injecting him with anything or weighing the food he ate, or compiling a diet to compensate for what his body wasn't naturally producing, or checking his blood to see what diet and training he best reacts to. It's so hi tech now that athletes may as well be plugged into a computer.

 

@choklab - Boxers still do wood chopping and shadow boxing in water. Also tonnes and tons of DRUUUUUUUUGS!!!!!

 

He knew a lot. I met him. A completely knowledgeable man who could talk all day and dissect any point you wished to raise to do with boxing. He was aware entirely of the advances in sports science, what more can be acheived from the biggest men compared to years ago. His comparisons were based on what was not around to make the biggest guys better. Big guys were around before. He knew as well as anyone from the past what limitations there used to be and was glad of those advances to take the big man forward in a way that was not possible before. Aside from a few exceptions the biggest men needed the strength and condition that came after the classic era. Trainers like Sterward were more eager to develop heavyweights after these "advances" than before them.

What I conclude from that is that comparisons are better made under classic conditions rather than modern conditions.