Was Marciano slow?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by reznick, May 2, 2017.


  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    And you think the footage of the Lastarza and Savold fights supports your opinion? Strange that the ringside reporters disagreed so diametrically with you.
     
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  2. reznick

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    I paused after the first two examples.
    Before we go further, how are 1:22, and 2:00 crude swings, as opposed to world class punching form?

    I appreciate you getting into the thick of this with me.
    Nobody else was as brave, and I believe we are moving towards a discussion of substance.
     
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  3. JohnThomas1

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    He's wound pretty tight on this one, has the blinkers on!!! :D
     
  4. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    And my point is that in modern Boxiana, a prime young Foreman would be considered fast.
    They would describe him as fast and powerful, explosive.

    They would say things like:
    "And you know Jim, he's not just bumbling and trying to land a punch. He's moving sharp for a guy that powerful. His punches reach his opponent before they have a chance to move away.
    I agree Roy, lots of speed with that power."
     
  5. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Hey, I see something, and I'm saying something.
    I love boxing, and I value truth.
     
  6. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Right, because we know Boxiana reporting was perfect back then.
    They didn't even know that Carnera won the lineal belt with a landed punch lol.

    Footage >
     
  7. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I have never seen Dempsey miss that many punches , nor Frazier or Tyson . Time for my bed! See you later Rez.
     
  8. reznick

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    Also McVey, it seems like you compare him to Dempsey like Kevin compares him to Tyson.
    And the further away from Dempsey he is stylistically, you will interpret as "bad."
    Just the same way the further he is from Tyson stylistically, Kevin will interpret as "bad."

    IMO this is a reflection of shallow understandings of the stylistic nuances of the sport.
     
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  9. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Okay intersting. So the form isn't the problem, it's that he missed?
    Now those are two drastically different things.
     
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  10. Contro

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    Marciano was slow and crude. But he kept throwing when he missed and was very strong and powerful for his size. Basically a relentless meatgrinder. Not a great jabber or counterpuncher.
     
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  11. reznick

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    Definitely not the type of guy to trade jabs
     
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  12. SuzieQ49

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    Dempsey may look more pleasing to the eyes but it helps when he is in the ring vs the most uncoordinated clumsiest heavyweight champion of all time and unskilled oafs like Firpo.
    The only two skilled boxers by normal standards whom Dempsey fought were sharkey and Tunney, and both made Dempsey look foolish most of the time.

    Charles Walcott and Moore made Marciano look crude at times, but these men were master boxers. There skills were far beyond anyone Dempsey beat. Most of the fighters Dempsey fought couldn't shine the shoes of a Archie Moore or Walcott when it came to boxing technique.
     
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  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I really doubt it but who knows? BTW, what heavyweights today routinely get described as fast?
     
  14. JohnThomas1

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    For sure Rez, was lightening things up a little.
     
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  15. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Marciano had to travel a longer distance to find his range and he wasn't blessed with great balance or either compact speed or rapidity of punching. That equals being slow to the target.